Comment on Obsidian's new first-person RPG Avowed channels Baldur's Gate 3 in one key way: "The core of RPGs that makes them special is missable content"

LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• teft@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  BG3 is a great example simply because there is so much content you can miss. I’ve put 1300+ hours into it and I still see things I haven’t seen in any prior playthrough. Granted they aren’t large story things or quests anymore but still, even the little stuff adds up.

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  • fushuan@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So, like skyrim, or oblivion, or pillars of eternity 1 and 2… BG3 is used because it’s famous.

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    • teft@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve played those and BG3 has much more content. Especially missable content that depends on the choices you make.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Personally, I find it frustrating to see the buzz Baldur’s Gate 3 gets because I remember a time when games like BG3 weren’t a rare sight. I mean, shit, BG3 is just a logical evolution from BG1 and 2. It’s got modern graphics, modern UI, modern controls… Same basic gameplay, same kind of choice that can lead to many replays because there are so many ways to do any given quest, etc.

  It isn’t that BG3 isn’t deserving of praise; it definitely is. But the fact it is like a breath of fresh air shows just how awful the industry itself is. They didn’t do anything that hadn’t been done before, and instead went back to old-school roots and fucking dominated the scene by simply not making their game watered down garbage with a lack of agency.

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  • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s the thing though - bg3 isn’t praised because it’s good relative to the state of the industry. It’s a game that did everything right, not just comparatively but in general

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hadn’t really thought of it that way, but you’re right. I think it happened around the time every action genre starting introducing “RPG éléments” to the point that they became de rigueur.

    It was only natural that RPGs themselves would borrow back from the action genres that were borrowing from them.

    Anyway yeah, it’s nice to see a big RPG bring just an RPG.

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• icecreamtaco@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Man you sound really bitter over nothing

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• MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because people like the game and like reading about it.

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• theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So what you’re saying is that it’s a valid comparison?

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• ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s at least an order of magnitude difference between how many people have played one versus the other.

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• Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Of all the callow villainry, I wish a comparison to Baldur’s Gate 3 was the worst I’ve heard. I have seen such articles talk about Avowed in terms of Skyrim, which was released closer to Banjo Kazooie than Avowed. No irrelevant remark is beyond them, no matter how patently inane.

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