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Tipping is not already included in the price of the meal. Living wage is included in the price of the meal.

That is the tip. In the US, “tipped” labor often has a reduced minimum wage, under the expectation that they make the difference up in tips.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Yup, something like $2.50/hr, when federal minimum wage is ~$7.50. If a server doesn’t make minimum wage, the restaurant is required to step them up.

It’s a stupid system IMO, because not leaving a tip is a giant slap in the face, when it really should just mean “you did just okay.” If the service is really that bad, I will complain and expect a comp or something on the bill, so the bill should reflect “good enough” service. I’d actually like to pay tips if it actually meant “fantastic service,” like putting up with my screaming children, convincing the cook to make something off-menu, or still providing good service when we’re not spending much (we don’t drink, and that’s like 50% of the bill). I’d prefer to tip based on the service, not on the size of the bill.

Oh, and if we had such a system, not taxing tips would make a ton of sense since it’s pretty literally a gift.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
In the US, if you are never going to return to an establishment, why tip?

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- idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Because you care about other people?
  
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  - Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Why should I when their employers don’t?
    
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  - Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    So tipping is for charity? Why should the wait staff get priority over the Tibetan koala sanctuary (or any other charity of your choice)?
    
    There are many more people in the world who deserve greater care than 1st world plate carriers.
    
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    idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    If I were taking advantage of their services, I would tip them too. As I’m benefiting from a first-world plate carrier’s service, I’ll tip them. Participating in a society by only doing things that help others when you might suffer consequences (via poor service on a return visit) is poor manners at the very least.
    
    I don’t think this conversation is going to be very productive (at least on my end), so I’ll cut it off here. Have a good one.
    
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