Can you explain the benefits of the fediverse over a centralized private site to a regular person in 5-second quip that will convince them that the relative complexity of using the fediverse versus BlueSky is worth the effort?
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x3x3@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Why not Mastodon?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 months ago
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
Centralized and private = enshitification
Self hosted and federated = not prone to enshitification
Idk how simple it has to be for people but clearly I’m over estimating people
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Okay. Now, explain the concept of enshitification. And do it using terms that regular folk won’t find crass.
You know how conservatives live in this bubble where they don’t even see their racism because it’s so normalized? We’re interacting within a bubble where everyone has a very high level of technical competence versus the average person, so we fail to understand just how tech illiterate others are.
Zink@programming.dev 4 months ago
Not just tech illiterate but also advertising illiterate. The regular folks I know seem happy to wade through endless platform ads and influencer sales pitches. Enshittification can really be a slowly boiling frog type scenario.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
Company focus on profit. even if mean overall experience get not gooder
I dumbed it down to caveman speech for those that still wouldn’t understand. It’s a simple concept all of use that have used the Internet in the past year have experienced.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
elon musk bought twitter and turned it to shit (or even more shit). elon (or someone else) could do that with Bluesky too, but can’t with Mastodon.
index@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Can you explain the benefits of the fediverse over a centralized private site to a regular person in 5-second quip that will convince them that the relative complexity of using the fediverse versus BlueSky is worth the effort?
Billionares with mega yacht fleets are choosing bluesky over mastodon.
Maalus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Like it or not, a regular person doesn’t give two shits about that.
index@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Talk for yourself, the average person does indeed care about the environment. In the past years there have been massive greenwashing campaigns from companies trying to please the average customer.
HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Twitter was bluesky before musk bought it, federation ensures that can’t easily happen to mastodon.
That’s it.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Cool. Now give me an argument why my mother would care about this fact.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
maybe not your mother, but anyone who left twitter recently (because musk) should understand. that’s who we are talking about.
capital@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is she looking for alternatives?
If so, it sounds like she understands Twitter turned to shit and would be smart enough to not want that to happen again.
If she’s not looking for alternatives it sounds like she’s fine on Twitter.
Klear@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That will just make them stay on X.
Jeffool@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It gives space to do servers based on specific interests if you want. I’m part of a game development server, and my “Local” tab has people on my server often talking about, and showing, things that are related to game development. And I can still follow anyone from any other Mastodon server too.
If you’re into video games, film, maybe a specific genre of music, you can have an instance dedicated to that. (It might already exist.) It’s like a virtual neighborhood, or forum. Remember forums? Those were nice. They cultivated a sense of community which made people a little more responsible in their attitudes, it feels like. Maybe that’s just nostalgia, but I like the server I’m on. It’s got friendly people I can talk to without feeling the need to fill my follows with them.
Wiz@midwest.social 4 months ago
Yes! I’m on a local regional server that is nice. I like that it’s locally owned and operated, and we can talk local news and events.
Jeffool@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You know, that feels like a pretty great use case.
Maalus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh so just like Discord, why would I need something new, I already have Discord.
Jeffool@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sure, but with that philosophy, why use a microblogging system at all?
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
5-second quip
Someone like Musk is impossible here
Freedom from tyrants, maybe
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Because casual mainstream basic folk don’t like the slight legwork you need to do and understand the Fediverse
I saw an article from Yahoo near about Bluesky’s current success and it also listed other similar groups like Mastedon. What didn’t surprise me is that they said Mastedon is predominantly “techie” which includes the majority of it’s user base.
Until. Mastedon can appeal to simple minded folk, if will always be a niche choice
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Until fediverse advocates stop thinking of people as simple minded, they will never understand the steps needed to be relevant.
The main advantage to Bluesky’s architecture is centralized identity and distributed components.
The centralized identity is key. Unless someone figures out a way to do this in activitypub, the fediverse will remain niche.
null@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
That’s more or less what NOSTR is trying to achieve
Chewmungus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Accurate username
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Until Mastedon can appeal to simple minded mainstream basic folk (which is a pretty good size of netizens) it will always be a niche group.
I think the bigger problem is that the press starts from the perspective that Mastodon and the Fediverse is just for techie nerds and then fills out the narrative with supporting details and so unless those narratives are challenged Mastodon and the Fediverse will never be for normal people because the Tech press and the money behind it won’t let that narrative stick in the general public’s minds.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
there’s nothing wrong with Mastedon and everyone else covering it is at fault.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
I am not trying to argue this isn’t also true too, my argument is that the fediverse doesn’t have a marketing department so the framework of discussion around the fediverse in mass media will always be fit to whatever the most convenient narrative is for the corporate tech world.
That isn’t to say the fediverse doesn’t also have existential accessibility issues on multiple dimensions.
index@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Their main business and source of money is a proprietary centralized platform. Mastodon is the opposite.
babybus@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Because people moved to bluesky and not to mastodon.
index@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Not true, Mastodon has millions of users
babybus@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
And blue sky got like 15 millions in two weeks. Look, you really think that everyone decided to diss Mastodon? All major companies, celebrities, sport teams? Or maybe there’s a more reasonable explanation why Bluesky?
index@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Look that’s what is happening