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Comment on Why does it seem most people, mainly conservatives, against Trans people? Unless I am wrong I never heard of one shooting up a school church or whatever. The ones I have met have been pretty cool.

slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

As someone who grew up in a conservative household in a deep red state, I think that part of it is that a lot of people are letting Lizard Brain dictate their response to transgender people.

Let me give you a personal example. A while back, I went to a social dance, and there was a trans woman there. Before the dance starts proper, the couple that runs it will teach a dance lesson, and we rotate partners while that’s going on. Eventually, I was rotated into being her partner. For some background, she was obviously early on in her transition; she still looked like a dude in a dress, she didn’t quite have the appearance down yet. But she gets huge props for not only having the bravery to go out as herself, but doing it in fucking Arkansas.

So I rotate over to her, and it dawns on me that she’s trans. In my head, Lizard Brain immediately starts screaming. “WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?! THIS PERSON IS OBVIOUSLY A DUDE IN A DRESS, HE MUST BE UP TO SOMETHING IF HE’S DRESSING AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE IS! RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE”

Keep in mind, where I grew up, you just didn’t see trans people, and even now, it still tickles that primal part of my brain that was trained to be uncomfortable around people who aren’t white and straight.

The difference between me and many of the people I grew up around is that I recognize that it’s happening and try to tone Lizard Brain out when it starts screaming. A lot of other people listen to it and don’t care that the person that it’s screaming about is exactly that: a person.

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fool@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
A brave, vulnerably nuanced answer. Suspicious… what are you planning?

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untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This is so real. It takes a LOT of effort and time to train this out. If someone isn’t willing to go through that then it makes sense that it would fester.

I had lots of times when i was younger learning about queer culture when i got mad it things. Especially after an overly polite and patient person took the time and effort to explain something to me. Unlearning hate is painful. Learning to liberate yourself is painful.

I think a lot of people feel that pain and decide to run from it and double down on the hate because that way they don’t need to learn and change or pry open their mind to an alternative.

Then there’s the whole fear of conflicting with your own community as a factor.

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- Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Would you mind sharing what that person explained to you?
  
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  - untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Many conversations with many different people. I can’t recall as this was mostly a decade ago, before it all clicked for me that humans are diverse and nuanced and it’s fine. My guess would be pronouns and wide net incel stuff. Not that i was particularly bad but deprogramming a Catholic suburban upbringing in american masculinity culture and propaganda is a monumental feat.
    
    I think the fact that i was willing to listen, think critically, and engage in self doubt is what invited the conversations. Still, they were being very charitable with their energy and time.
    
    I’m really grateful for that, especially after recognizing in not as cishet as i thought i was.
    
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BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Excellently said!

The only thing I have an issue with, and it’s a small issue at that, is:

Keep in mind, where I grew up, you just didn’t see trans people,

You most assuredly did see them. You just didn’t realize it because they were forced to hide who they really were.

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Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What happened next? How was the dance? Don’t leave us hanging!

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JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I remember reading that when people have racist reactions like what you’re describing it’s like a different part of their brain triggers and then their frontal lobe (for higher logic) sort of suppresses it. I really wish I could remember more about this but I definitely remember learning about this in psychology. Something like when a baby sees someone of a skin color they haven’t seen before they get nervous, but when they’re older different parts shut it down. The memory is very fuzzy.

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