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oce@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

For the record, nobody in France call French fries or French toast “French”. We’re definitely happy to attribute the fries to our Belgian friend and nobody thinks something as ubiquitous as toasts could have a single inventor. I think those are Anglo-Saxon cultural elements.

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olosta@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No we are not attributing fries to the Belgian, fries are french. The Belgian improved on our invention and make the best fries, but Frenchs invented it.

Content warning, a lot of french: www.musee-gourmandise.be/fr/…/articles-de-fond?vi…

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- thedarkfly@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  As a Belgian, this is my position as well. Fries is part of the Belgian culinary culture, but it’s chauvinism to claim they were invented in Belgium.
  
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- oce@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The article states hypothesis and guesses, it doesn’t seem to provide a definitive answer.
  
  Its conclusion, machine translated:
  
  In the first two chapters, we talked about the unlikely birth of the deep-fried potato, the result of a marriage between the potato, a popular vegetable par excellence, and cooking in a fat bath, reserved for high society. Where could this marriage have taken place? In a well-to-do kitchen with a fine frying pan? Impossible, as we saw earlier. Potatoes have no place there. In the home of the poor potato-eating bastard? Impossible too. They don’t have enough fat.
  
  Isn’t the answer to this question to be found in the streets of Paris, where in the 18th century, itinerant merchants carried their frying pans filled with dubious grease, into which they plunged meats and vegetables smeared with doughnut batter? Or is it to be found in a rotisserie with more extensive equipment? It’s a tempting hypothesis. As we know, the fried potato has spread through commerce. Wasn’t it born there? Is it not a purely commercial product? The inventor of the French fried potato will probably always remain anonymous, but we can guess his trade: a merchant. We can also guess his origin: Parisian.
  
  Pierre Leclercq
  
  March 2009 - December 2010
  
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- Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Like the espresso, invented by the French (express or exprés? nobody knows which one it was, but making 1 little cup at a time was new and fast), then the Italians improved it, especially with gruppo 61, group head 61. Now they have the best coffee 😔
  
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Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Also here we call it “cafetière à piston” not french press.

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Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
FIY: French toast is the english name for pain perdu.

Also probably not “invented” by the French, but no one thinks they invented simple toast.

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Mr_Blott@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No idea what a French press is. Probably a cafetière ?

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- Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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- echodot@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Who the hell holds it a French press I’ve never heard anyone call it that.
  
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  - Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wikipedia for one
    
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  - tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I never knew there was a different name for it. The cafetière is a new one on me, and I did French in high school. Guess we weren’t talking about coffee much, though apparently french fries came up enough for me to remember pommes frites (they probably don’t fry apples much over there).
    
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    Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pommes de terre frites or patates frites
    
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    RunawayFixer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Some fruits can be fried in the form of “beignets”, which is fruit covered with batter and then fried. Apples are traditionally the most popular beignet recipe I think: “beignets aux pommes”.
    
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  - AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The US calls everything “French” because they think it’ll sell better.
    
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    sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Until we collectively decided to be jerks about it in the early 2000s and called them “freedom fries” and “freedom toast.” I think it’s so weird that we’re closer to the British than the French when France totally helped us out in the early days.
    
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    oce@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah, I think so too, Japan does the same with food and luxury shops.
    
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FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Anglo-Saxon cultural elements

You did your best to stamp those out back in 1066

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- oce@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s still how we call this group from France.
  
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  - FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Do you use it differently to “English”?
    
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    oce@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Maybe it is interchangeable sometimes, but English people would rather point at the UK, while Anglo-Saxons often abusively refers to UK plus majorly white former British colonies, USA, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand.
    
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