I agree. There were protests nearby for improving the situation in Palestine/Gaza, but you could argue those protests were just as much against giving more aid to Israel.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
It’s all just framing, no? You could frame all of your examples of protesting to “improve something” as protesting against something, and vice versa.
Protesting for improved living conditions is just protesting against poor living conditions. Protesting for higher wages is protesting against low wages. Protesting for lower tuition costs is protesting against high tuition.
Protests by definition are an action objecting to a thing. What are you seeing happen in other countries that’s so different to what’s happening here, when you don’t selectively frame it as “for” a cause rather than “against” a thing?
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
master5o1@lemmy.nz 5 weeks ago
Even the phrase “improving the situation in Gaza” can be ambiguous.
11111one11111@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I get the framing thing but that isn’t addressing why US protests are: something bad is happening -> protest And other countries seem to be more of a collective agreement that something needs to improve.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m agreeing with @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social that it sounds like this is just a framing thing.
Example:
Problem framing = “The rent is too, damn high!”
Improvement framing = “Cost of rent needs to be made more affordable for renters”
Those are saying the same thing, but one is framed as a problem while the other is framed as an improvement is needed.
11111one11111@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
But still you guys aren’t hearing my issue or I’m not explaining it properly. Why does it take so much to ignite protests in America when other countries are more prone to protest? What does it take for Americans to come together and to want more from their community leaders. It’s a showerthought not an objective statement so it’s evolving and I do regret that I posted it with the question of if it were a framing difference because it I’d not on topic for what my overall question was about . That’s on me, my b.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Individualist vs collectivist cultural differences? Lack of a good social safety net is likely another reason. When are you going to protest? People are crazy busy just working enough hours to feed and house themselves and their families. Maybe you can plan your protesting between in the 30 minutes before you need to pick up your kid from school/daycare before you take them home and start cooking dinner for them. Are you going to skip work to protest? You could lose your job and then you can’t feed and house your family.
I’d also say that here in the USA protest need massive involvement by the populace to even get noticed. Very rarely does a single issue resonate with a large enough group of people to get critical mass for outside attention.
I can’t name a single person in my area I’d consider a “community leader”.
jbrains@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Why do things need to improve, generally speaking?