Comment on Blood Meal
superkret@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
If I use this to fertilize my veggies, are they still vegan?
There are vegan blood meal alternatives out there to resolve this exact conundrum.
But the reality is, unless your plants are being grown hydroponically in a sealed warehouse or similar, chances are real good that they are feeding on decaying animals (either directly or indirectly) whether you like it or not. They’re mostly insects and annelids and such, but still animals.
The issue for vegans is whether animal slaughter was involved and whether they supported it with their purchase.
Its easiest to treat paying for something the same as doing it firsthand.
It gets really strange to find the line that separates how far away from an immoral act you need to be to be considered moral still. In the same room? In the same building? What if you don’t explicitly ask someone to do the immoral thing, and only ask for the remains of it?
Humans are just as much part of nature as everything else
a common definition of nature is the stuff that is untouched by humans.
as wiktionary puts it:
flora and fauna as distinct from human conventions, art, and technology
Some indigenous people cooperate with their natural environment. Humans are fundamentally a keystone species that’s collectively gotten really bad at it, to get good at other things. We could have human conventions, art, and technology that works entirely with nature and our environment rather than against it. Between these facts, I’m not a fan of that definition.
If i see you get attacked by wild animals i guess i won’t try to help you, wouldn’t want to go against nature or anything
It’s funny how this is downvoted. Not that I agree, but wouldn’t that be the logical conclusion?
Life feeds on life feeds on life, plants don’t care how you died just how your nutrients are able to be absorbed.
Doesn’t have to be hydroponics, using coco coir instead of soil will also fix that issue
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Two factors to consider id say. Blood isn’t the only organic source of nitrogen so it’s not as if its necessary, thus I’d wager many vegans would consider it unnecessary animal suffering, at least in theory. However the caveat would be blood is byproduct, no ones killing the animals in order to obtain blood meal, many people including vegans may think it more ethical to not let it go to waste.
superkret@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That second point would require intimate knowledge about which animal parts would be disposed of if they didn’t find a buyer.
In reality, everything is used. If there wasn’t a market for part of an animal, a use was found and a market created (which is part of the reason why industrially produced white sugar, beer, wine, apple juice, potato chips and bread usually aren’t vegan).
Anyway, vegans usually don’t care about whether an animal product could be leftover. Their philosophy boils down to “Just fucking leave animals in peace.”
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s more complicated than that unless you don’t understand how many animals die when you clear farmland. Every crop you eat came at a cost to animals, if there’s no amount you deem acceptable or unavoidable your only option is to exclusively eat food you grew yourself.
yozul@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
There’s also the pesky detail that if minerals in the soil are taken up into plants, and plants are then eaten by animals, then animals need to go back into the soil we grow our crops in or the the soils get depleted of minerals. That’s why most salt is iodized, because we’ve leached all the iodine out of our croplands and never put it back. There is only so much fossil fertilizer in the world. Eventually we are going to have to accept that we are part of nature instead of separate beings above it and doing things to it. Factory farming sucks and needs to end, but we can’t “Just fucking leave animals in peace.” we are not separate from them. They are us and we are them.
superkret@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The acceptable amount = refrain from hurting animals “as much as possible and practicable”. That takes care of all the gotchas and the well actuallys.
ninjabard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whether or not. Not weather.
Vedlt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even honey isn’t okay with some (I have no idea the %, could be most or just a small number) of vegans. So regardless of how the blood was obtained, there is at least some who would not consider it vegan.