When you know what occurs in factory farming. Its hard to continue to be nice to others who have the ability to stop supporting the cruel system with their money.
Its often easier to go vegan than people initially believe. You can do it.
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Jimbo@yiffit.net 3 months ago
Yeah I respect vegans, and applaud them for their life choices. I’m not in a position to, or willing at this point to become a vegan, but I looked at their community… Mostly insults when referring to any meat eater. Yeah, I respect them a fair bit less now.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We really dont though. It is simply not realistic to fight for an ethic that requires the overwhelming majority to be hyperrational in their ethics. Human nature tends toward cruelty, and Ive yet to see a vegan have recourse for that.
Setting aside the whole plants feel pain too bit
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
People are cruel often because of the systems they’re raised in. I could show you many instances where kindness is punished in order to maintain the status quo of hierarchical systems. Humans can be much more ethical if we chose to be.
Plant react to stimuli however they do not have the nervous system to process pain like the way cows and pigs do.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 months ago
And yet people default to those systems and have since the agricultural revolution.
As for plant stimuli, who are you to say that doesn’t constitute pain. They sure communicate it to those around them, cut grass smell and all that. Does an ant not feel pain because it mostly just responds to pheromones? Bit of a “my red is your blue” argument you’re making.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
lowleveldata@programming.dev 3 months ago
Yes that’s how you have a conversation. Good job.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Dave, in fact, could not behave and could not resist a personal attack.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
is it very personal?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What part of insulted their individual lifestyle seems like business to you?
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Do you not understand what the word “personal” means, or are you confused about this usage of attack?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
no one does that
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 3 months ago
You can keep telling yourself that if it helps.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
if you have evidence to the contrary, you should present it.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 months ago
And this is why its impossible to have a conversation with yall. Even if you believe this, if you are hostile to outsiders, you just guarantee theyll want to do it more. Cult deprogrammers have to be real nice and mostly just listen for a reason
Exatron@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Your performative concern for animals is noted.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ll put those performative points into my V card for later use.
Glytch@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Says the person who pays for humans to be tortured they can have a phone.
See? We can all make disingenuous, insulting statements; but that’s not productive in getting people to listen to us.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
depending on how you see things, abuse is part of any system. that said, humans are at least able to be a part of the system and have dialogue with the system. there is potential to effect a system.
this cannot be said for a 4 day old calf being taken away from the mother for slaughter just so the mother can continue to lactate and little fat Jonny can have his full fat on his frosties again.
lastly, it’s hardly insulting to remind people that they pay for disgusting levels of animal abuse.