In reaponse to your #3 point - this is absolute fucking ridiculous. This type of bullshit will kill Lemmy.
Comment on New to Lemmy. I have a couple of questions.
kitnaht@lemmy.world 2 months ago
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No, you’re not missing out on anything. You can have multiple accounts if you wish, you can have one. Short of an instance going down that you have your account on, you can interact with it all.
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Official as in a centralized server with all the “main” stuff? No. Each server might have its own News community.
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There isn’t yet, but with the way Lemmy mods are going, it won’t be long. Starting to get some whiffs of mods banning people because they’ve voted wrongly on posts. Lemmy is unique in that it lets mods see what you’ve up/down voted.
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 months ago
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 2 months ago
If the philosophy behind the platform proves true, it will just kill those instances.
dandroid@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Votes being public is one of my main turn offs of Lemmy. Anyone can host their own instance that federates with everyone and peek inside the database and see everything you’ve ever up voted or downvoted. I have personally done this just to confirm my suspicions that it is possible. I don’t vote on a lot of things I otherwise would because I don’t want people making assumptions about me. For example, if I see a copy/paste bot spamming a pro trans comment, even though I agree with the message, I might want to downvote because it is a spam bot. But I’m afraid that if someone sees that comment in a list of my downvotes without any context, they will incorrectly think I’m transphobic.
imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 2 months ago
But I’m afraid that if someone sees that comment in a list of my downvotes without any context, they will incorrectly think I’m transphobic.
You could also not care what the type of person who would go to THOSE lengths (see: mentally unwell) thinks…
kitnaht@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When that type of person controls your access to content, you typically are going to care.
Ludrol@szmer.info 2 months ago
I think you should pitch in on this github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 months ago
I get what you’re saying: assumers (individuals who vomit conclusions based on little to no info) have access to this sort of info as much as decent people do. And if they’re in a position of power, they can ruin your day.
However:
- If we’re going to stop doing things because an assumer might interpret them wrong, we do nothing.
- As a local saying goes, “diarrhoea doesn’t happen only once”. If some assumptive piece of shit is, for example, banning you because it assumed why you downvoted a certain post/comment, they’re likely banning other people under the same reason. This is the sort of situation where you should gang up and throw shit on the fan - transparency might benefit them, but it should also benefit you.
(In this example the right thing to do, if you notice that a post is being potentially downvoted due to transphobia, is to check the voting patterns of the poster. If they’re transphobic they’ll be downvoting any trans-positive post; if they’re just against bots they’ll be downvoting other bot posts regardless of message. Due diligence is not a “nice to have”, it’s obligatory - and, alongside basic reasoning, it’s what tells activists and slacktivists apart.)
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Votes being public is news to me. But regardless, how does anyone even do it? The apps and web uis I have seen don’t show that anywhere so do you think people are querying the API directly just for such a weird use case? I don’t find that likely.
Ludrol@szmer.info 2 months ago
You need to be an admin or mod to see the votes. There are discussions to make the votes public for everyone.
dandroid@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yes, as the other person said, you need to be an admin or mod. As an admin, you have raw database access. I crafted an SQL query using a couple of joins of I think 3 tables, and I was able to provide a comment or post ID, and it would return a list of people who have upvoted or downvoted it.
9point6@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Interesting, I was of the understanding that the individual vote attribution doesn’t leave the community’s home instance and only aggregated counts are federated.
Given an instance spun up for this purpose would not host any communities I’d be interacting with, it wouldn’t get much more information than you can get through the UI/API
Am I wrong on this?
dandroid@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I hosted my own instance and was able to see the usernames of people who voted on communities that were not hosted on my instance. To prove my point, I had posted the list of votes on a comment that was claiming it was impossible to do this.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yeah so much for diverse opinions
Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 months ago
With #3, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe your run-of-the-mill moderator can see upvotes and downvotes. But instance admins can, just by nature of having access to the server data. Federation wouldn’t work if other instances couldn’t communicate upvotes and downvotes across the platform to other instances, so short of finding some way to encrypt all the data, it’s an unavoidable consequence of the standard.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Not yet, but it has been implemented in the backend, the front end needs to catch up github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4386
Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh yikes, before I clicked the link I thought you were about to tell me that they were working on user data encryption. Not sure I am keen on enabling even more surveillance to be accessed by who knows who. Will definitely have to start worrying more about which communities I even let on my feed, in case I downvote some bigoted shit from someone’s personal community that shows up in All and they start witch-hunting users who took the bait.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
To be fair, if a mod bans me based on my vote, maybe I’m better off their community
Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Number 3 cough cough lemmy.world cough cough
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What do you mean when you say they’re banning people because they’ve “voted wrongly” on posts? What does that entail, just curious?
kitnaht@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is the context I am basing that claim on: old.lemmy.world/comment/11766380
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ok so abusing the reporting system totally justifies a ban. But voting I think it’s just that the mod is unhappy about the vote direction; I really meant that I thought you meant there was like some objective reason. It’s just spite. That’s not really a desirable behavior but what can you do. We’re all human.
fididosooe@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Never. I joined lemmy specifically for the furry porn 🥵 jk
Thanks for the help!
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s important to remember that if the admins of your server defederate (disconnect, not sync) with a given server, you will not have access to that I stance’s posts. This is where multiple accounts can come in handy.