What happens when all schools are more expensive then the vouchers? We saw that happen with higher education, where reducing the state funded option has put the cost of college out of reach for many. Is the idea going forward that education will not be guaranteed?
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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks agoDisagree. Vouchers are the future.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
If the private schools outpaced the public then people would still have the public option. The voucher programs I’ve seen suggested are based on the spending in a public school which is often double to triple of a private school.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
These aren’t closed systems. If private schools become more expensive (because vouchers will work like student loans), it will make the cost of schooling in general more expensive (faculty wages, materials, supplies, etc.).
Hell, just look at Arizona and you can see that there is a serve lack of understanding of the cost impact vouchers will have. They originally expected it to save money, now it’s half of their budget’s deficit. azmirror.com/…/it-costs-arizona-332m-to-pay-for-v…
Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
What? A real world example of school vouchers in action?
the program takes money away from the district schools that educate 90% of Arizona’s K-12 students and that universal vouchers are essentially a subsidy for wealthy parents who were already sending their children to private schools before vouchers were available to them.
How is this more choice? Seems like less.
“Failure to rein in these costs means critical areas of state government expenditures will be cut to balance the budget,”
So the actual result is a huge state budget deficit and less services for everyone. Huh. So why would anyone want this?
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
They won’t work like student loans. There is no debt other than what the government borrows. All they have to do is cap the vouchers at the price public schools pay per student and the locks the cost. Right now private schools are cheaper in 43 out of 50 states.
breadsmasher@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Are you implying that only those who attend private school are the future, and public school attendees are not?
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Eventually we will eliminate the public school system with a variety of choices.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Why do you want to defund public schools instead of improving them?
intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Providing consumers with choice improves offerings through competition.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If there isn’t a natural monopoly effect. Look at utilities or Healthcare. Things largely dictated by location (and/or job) can’t support multiple offerings.
How are parents who can’t drive their kids to school everyday going to take advantage of these choices? Vouchers/private schools will create a two tiered system.
jimbolauski@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
The cost per pupil for a k-12 education is almost twice as much in public schools vs private. Twice the money and half the results.
Why do you want to waste money on a failing system?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Do you have a source to back up this claim because it’s completely reversed from anything I’ve seen and I’d like to understand it better.
jimbolauski@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Ohio cost per pupil in 2020 $13,027
lsc.ohio.gov/…/2020-ohio-facts-k-12-education.pdf
Average Ohio private school cost $7,929 2024.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
What is insane is the left says we should be more like Sweden. When you agree and say we should do vouchers, they melt down. We spend way too much money on education with poor results. Too much ideology in public schools and not enough education. Back when my kid was in high school; they kept going on about sex , gender and how republicans are bad. The school academics were horrible. We pulled her out and put her in a private school. Her standardized testing scores sky rocketed up. Best thing we ever did.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Who has spoken about Sweden besides you?
My kids spend more time with me then at school and they have a solid foundation and an ability to think critically, I’m not afraid of any scary knowledge they might learn from school, friends, the internet or any other source that I wouldn’t be able to control the rest of their lives and wouldn’t want to anyways.
P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They don’t teach that Republicans are bad. They figure that out for themselves using critical thinking since they’re not indoctrinated with all that “god” bs in school.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Public school have become indoctrination centers for anti-American ideology. They focus less on education and more of incorrect ideology.
Parents need a choice to get schools to focus more on education and not on unpopular ideology.
What stops many people from sending their kids to a private school is lack of money. Vouchers will fix that problem.
That’s why I sent my kid to private school.
P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You sent your kids to private school so that they can “learn” that earth is 6000 years old, and the creation myth. Hindering their chances at any future.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
No I didn’t and that’s weird to think.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You skipped right past my question instead of answering it.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I clearly explained why and how to fix them.
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
Oh god you reproduced.
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
Imagine saying this unironically.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
There is no irony. Vouchers are the future
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
This is your opinion. ROI is uncertain, and at worst it moves tax money to religious schools, which is itself a violation of separation of church and state.