Comment on More than 100 arrested in London as violence flares after Southport stabbings

• echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Saying Based isn’t a counter argument. Please come up with some of your own opinions and demonstrate how you arrived at them or shut the hell up.

  You’re as bad as the thugs, you let somebody else tell you what your opinion should be and you don’t actually know why they’re your opinions, because you’ve just absorbed them from the ether, and did not arrive at them on your own, so you just shout at people without any idea about why you’re angry at them. Grow up.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Idk what to say? Corporate terrorists who shit up our planet from oil execs to their political lackeys all deserve to be put to the sword. Someone bringing attention to that in a legal system that serves capitalist interests in such a brazen, dedicated fashion is a hero of mine.

    This is my original opinion I’ve come to over many years from being a dedicated establishment defender concerned with “civility” and broadly unaware of the concept of negative peace that serves the purpose of denying justice to those affected, then to moderate “shit sucks but neither side is right” to now radicalized, and I know exactly why my opinion is that way - it is witnessing the collapse of this country in real time that got me to open my eyes to the fact things here are run by thieves who steal from us all tangibly and less so, from the landleeches who leech off labour when we have enough excess housing to house everyone right now, literally solving homelessness, to the oil execs who leech off our very planet - a planet that it’s very hard to argue does not belong to all of us, and when the system fails to account for this it is a failed system, and thus direct action outside of the justice system run by and for those same thieves is almost always justified - nay - morally required.

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    • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have to agree with you. I’ve tried my best to get on board with how the system functions, the outcomes it produces and forgive its flaws but it just doesn’t reflect my values. Apart from the physical destruction its causing, tolerating a system which is working against you like that for long enough just crushes your spirit. Accepting that I oppose it is liberating.

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      • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I found it much easier to cope with the world when I acknowledged that the system isn’t broken, it’s working exactly as intended. Sounds cynical, but I have found a lot of comfort in solidarity with people who feel similarly, and that gives me more hope than I have felt in years.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Personal opinion isn’t relevant here, that’s what you do not sit here to understand.

      The sentence they got was based on the things they did and the way they conducted themselves in the courtroom. You cannot complain that their sentences were too long without also accepting that they hold some responsibility for the length of their own sentences. Whether you believe that’s moral or not is utterly irrelevant.

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Actually it’s the only thing that’s relevant. In your opinion legal = good and well-behaved=good, but not in mine.

        If a system like ours denies change and justice, then it doesn’t deserve people cowtowing before it.

        Real justice is about the why, and the broader context as much as it is about the what. A ransomware gang in Russia stealing from grandma is obviously not the same as a single mother stealing formula to feed her child. By your logic If the mother is upset and doesn’t think highly of the system, she gets a stricter sentence. Needless to say - this is absurd.

        I feel like this is morality 101, no offense. I doubt you actually believe that context shouldn’t matter, but that’s how it comes off.

        Needless to say, I think the sentencing should take into account not how you ‘conducted yourself’ but why you did what you did. I’ll agree that we disagree.

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      • Streamwave@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The law only applies to people I disagree with.

        I am definitely a person who should be taken seriously

        ~/s~

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• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cars affect them way more, so if anything JSO would prolly in the long term make things better for them.

  You can’t be serious. People purposely blocking a motorway that’s critical for emergency services are less at fault for blocking emergency services than a person in a car or bus in your eyes?

  Based.

  That’s not a legal defence.

  Based.

  Dunno why you replied to the same line twice, but see above.

  the protesters said they are glad they broke the law

  See above.

  Based.

  See above. And no, being in contempt of court isn’t based.

  Based. Being a judge prosecuting fucking climate protestors is the real crime.

  No it’s not based. It’s stupidity. Insulting the judge handling your trial is moronic.

  And no, judges prosecuting people guilty of committing a crime, whether you believe the charge is worthy or not, isn’t a crime. It’s their job.

  Unreal, I don’t even know the guy but have enormous respect for him. Thanks for sharing this.

  Funny. I feel the opposite. I was sympathetic to him before I looked into the facts and saw how much of a moron he is. The disservice he’s doing to the climate debate is immense. I hope he has a good think about his actions while he’s in prison.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And no, being in contempt of court isn’t based.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Breaking the law and getting arrested for it is literally 1984”

      Do you even know what being in Contempt of Court is?

      Do you think, for example, that not turning up to court shouldn’t go against you? Or purposely trying to derail the trial? Or defying court orders? Or disclosing details of an ongoing court case, risking the entire case being dismissed?

      I suppose you must love people like Tommy Robinson, who has on multiple occasions been charged with contempt of court? Is he “based”? Is it Orwellian to bring criminal charges to him?

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.

        I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.

        Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.

        The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My God you are utterly pathetic individual. You actually think that your personal opinion is the same as objective reality. Either you have an ego the size of a small continent or you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.

      I honestly suspect it to be the latter, your response to me was basically copy paste eco warrior bullshit. None of it has any real recognition of the challenges faced by changing, or any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement. All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t actually really care that much about the climate and I’m pro-natural-exploitation so long as the spoils of it are shared evenly amongst the proletariat (present and future, so including some degree of preservation), but if some pathetic centrist system-defender wants to label me an eco-warrior I’ll wear it with pride.

        challenges faced by changing

        Aww, profits go down? What a shame. Degrowth would be such a bad thing what will I do without the AI crypto meta verse being made in 2 years :(

        any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement.

        A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise of a rapist being allowed to “rape a little bit” lmao it is an acknowledgment that one party is 100% right, and the other is absolutely fucking wrong.

        All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.

        I don’t really care if you don’t believe this shit, I think you should consider it, my zealous advocatry for one side I believe is right is not a moral condemnation of opposing and especially not more moderate-but-broadly-in-agreement individuals, it is a condemnation of the system.

        The le evil socialists that comprise little more than half of Gen-Z in the UK aren’t out to get some slobby middle manager’s Toyota Camry, he’s just part of a system, they’re there for those who embezzled billions to actively enforce the system.

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• feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The way you reply to comments is not endearing you to anybody.

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