Completely irrelevant to the topic, but my personal head canon is that Janeway admired Worf’s S1 Hair and copied it when she was given Voyager to command.
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hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I mean let’s be real here they had every right to be concerned. TNG had serious problems in the beginning and had some pretty big flaws even as the show got going. Off the top of my head
- The first few episodes (besides Q) were straight trash. Even if you take out the ample racism and sexism, they still kinda suck
- Worf didn’t become a thing until Yar died. He was just kinda there. Also his hair looked ridiculous
- Riker was half as sexy in terms of looks and a quarter as sexy in terms of personality
- Picard was a dick. Not firm but fair. A straight up dick.
- They straight up got rid of crusher for a season
- The Ferengi were awful. Not like in a “lol what shenanigans is Quark up to now” but in a “TOS Gorn” way
nxdefiant@startrek.website 10 months ago
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 10 months ago
She definitely wore it better.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 months ago
Without any context, you could easily assume that Riker’s beard is what really made TNG work.
T156@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They straight up got rid of crusher for a season
I believe McFadden was fired, which was why she disappeared.
TNG had serious problems in the beginning and had some pretty big flaws even as the show got going. Off the top of my head
You’re not wrong. I think the only main character that really had any development in the first 2 seasons is Dr Pulaski, going from someone completely unfamiliar with Data, and conscious machinery, to being an ardent supporter of his. We had a little but in Data settling into being an emotionless Android trying to learn to be more human, and Geordi becoming Chief Engineer, but they were very minor background tweaks to the characters.
Everyone else barely changed at all in that time, except for Lt. Yar, who went from being a living breathing person to corpse.
Blimp7990@reddthat.com 10 months ago
The Ferengi
they were awful, but they did give me a good basis for imagining wolf-of-wall-street types
NathanielThomas@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sigh.
Ok, let’s hear what you think the racism and sexism was.
Blimp7990@reddthat.com 10 months ago
well when I googled “racism in star trek tng” i got “code of honor” so maybe start there
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 10 months ago
Have you watched season 1?
ImADifferentBird@midwest.social 10 months ago
Did you skip over Code of Honor? Wouldn’t blame you if you did, of course.
loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I love the first few episodes, I prefer babyface riker, and I think Dick Picard was a cool badass who I fully support.
But they should have kept Crusher, and the political conflicts were a ridiculous joke epitomized by the cartoonish ferengi. S3 gave us much better aesthetics and politics (though the new character driven storytelling might be a matter of taste).
cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I’m watching TNG now with someone who’s never seen it before, and that’s making me ‘see’ the show with fresh eyes. The first few episodes are so hard to get through. Some are straight up cringey. Many remember Code of Honor and Last Outpost as being horrible, but Naked Now is awful in its own way. Don’t get me wrong: TNG goes on to be an excellent, culture-defining show. When people talk about how good it is, they’re probably thinking about Measure of a Man, Inner Light, Darmok, and Best of Both Worlds.
Let me add that DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise got to build on the risks that TNG took. Those shows were more consistently good at their starts.
Ilari@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
The Naked Now was a bizarre choice for such an early episode. It’s the very first one after the premiere, and it’s based on the crew acting out of character – before the audience has had time to learn what their personalities are supposed to be.