My trans friends are what keeps me committed to voting Biden no matter how disappointed I am in him. Things are already really scary for them right now and I can’t be complicit in making them worse, even through inaction.
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assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 days agoYou get it! We can’t fuck over vulnerable people. We can’t abandon minorities and LGBT people. Even if we let things get worse to the point of a societal collapse, a lot of people will die because of it – and societal collapse has not historically led to better societies down the road.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 5 days ago
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Consider me another one of your trans friends. If Trump gets elected I’m probably gonna die in a concentration camp. Don’t do that to me, don’t do that to them. I’m begging you for my life.
MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 5 days ago
As a transwoman as well, I second this!
Don’t let the fascist win!
bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
I’d suggest taking a fly overseas the day after the elections, booked prior to it. If Trump losses, you can use it to celebrate it. If he wins… well, you can ask for asylum on arrival.
Objection@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
I am trans and not voting for Biden. I refuse to sacrifice Palestinians for my own safety or the safety of my loved ones. All the stuff people say now about them being an acceptable sacrifice or there being nothing they can do about it, that’s what they’ll be saying about us tomorrow. Solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable strategy for long term survival.
I hate being used as a rhetorical token to make people feel better about selling out another vulnerable group.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 5 days ago
If you actually cared you would vote biden. No one capable of it will save them. None. At least with biden someone survives.
Objection@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
If our “democracy” has decayed to the point where I’m not able to vote on whether or not we do a genocide, then it is not a democracy and I should not legitimize the sham through participation.
There is no circumstance under which I will support genocide. If that means I die, then I will die. If any of you had a backbone you’d do the same. And if enough people drew that line, they’d have no choice but to listen to us.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I respect this decision.
Objection@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Tbh I’m fine with respectful disagreement.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Trans people are not a monolith. There’s other trans people in this thread begging us to vote for Biden for their safety. Your feelings about being a rhetorical token are not invalid, but recognize that other people in your vulnerable group are legitimately crying out for help.
Either way, I’m glad I’m not one of your loved ones. Your own safety is one thing. Their safety is another.
Objection@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
They’re entitled to their views, as I am to mine.
I will do whatever I can to protect my loved ones and ensure they retain access to their meds. But I cannot go against the dictates of my conscience. And as I said, in the long term, solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable path forward and I will not sacrifice that long term strategy for some fleeting, half-hearted protection. In fact I’ve already seen people applying the “lesser evil” argument to sacrificing trans rights since I posted this. Only by uniting and drawing a red line do we have a chance in the long run.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Right? Imagine it’s a fucking Saw Trap, and there’s an easy way out without sacrificing anyone… and an equally easy way out sacrificing everyone. Make the less selfish choice.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
We can’t fuck over vulnerable people.
That’s what you’re doing when voting for Dems.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Yes, I see how you’re protecting me when you elect the party that would arrest me for being a “Public Danger” because of the fact that I’m trans.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
If you would get off your ass and gather support for a decent party this wouldn’t be a problem.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 days ago
“Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am”
“Stop being lazy and go improve a better party”
You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Last I tried my Socialist Party USA chapter belittled me, called me a rape apologist, and refused to do anything for the local community outside of shaming people for wanting to vote out Trump by any means possible.
Holyginz@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Go educate yourself, and then you can join the adult discussions.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Oh the irony.
Holyginz@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Agreed, hopefully someday you understand it.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 5 days ago
What vulnerable people are dems going after?
Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
If you don’t know the answer to this already, I suppose the backlash against Biden from progressives might seem like bots or foreign propaganda.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Nope. I just understand democracy.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I am starting to think so too.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The poor is the most clear. Also black people, just look at our prisons, and the crime bill Joe Biden wrote
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Show me. Tell me how the party of Obama and Harris are going after them.
SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Don’t forget how Biden is being harder on immigration than Trump was but don’t worry Biden is totally for minorities
Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Biden is literally arming a genocide. He was even adamant about his continued support for that. Meanwhile Dems led cities have brutally beaten up peaceful colelge protests and invited fascist MAGA mobs to attack minority students there.
The DNC and Biden do not protect minorities. They are white supremacists with just a bit more moderation to the means they employ, but they will absolutely resort to authoritarian crackdowns if they feel the minorities to step out of line by demanding justice and rights.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 5 days ago
I can’t even imagine how awful the people who fill that vacuum would be.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That’s such an important point. Anyone who thinks a win by Trump will somehow speed up the advent of socialism is just deluded.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
People think Trump will eventually make things so bad that the average man will salivate at the chance for Socialist rule…
What will actually happen if you get a nasty concoction made from a pinch of Handmaid’s Tale with a dash of Holocaust 2…
And the average man won’t care, as long as the trains run on time and they owned the libs… and if the trains don’t run on time, they probably have libs to blame.
daltotron@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I am here to regretfully inform you about the state of american rail infrastructure…
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 days ago
I know, I sadly know.