Why’s that? Got a problem with the left?
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DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago.world is a Liberal cesspool
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
On what planet are liberals “the left?”
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
The world of a hundred years ago. Where I live, the liberal parties mostly want to create more freedom for companies to fuck people over.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Yep, pretty much. Liberalism serves the interests of Capital over people.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 years ago
Robespierre Did Nothing Wrong
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Liberals Left, Republicans Right, is the dichotomy of the US at least.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Overton Window, maybe, but that’s not a particularly useful categorization. Parties repredent relatively fixed views, not directions.
archomrade@midwest.social 2 years ago
US liberals and US conservatives both share the core ideals of Liberalism, including the right to private property
They differ only in where they think individual liberty ends.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 years ago
USA
Liberal in the US means progressive. It’s a term referring to social issues, not economic ones.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Liberal in the USA means Liberal economically, it’s just that economic Liberalism is more progressive than the alternstive, far-right populism.
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
World and Hexbear are both liberal cesspits. One is full of conservatives who think they’re centrists, and one is full of conservatives who think they’re communists.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Look, you haven’t sold me on the idea, but I’m going to upvote you because, if nothing else, this is an original take.
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
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TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
This just pretends democratic socialism doesn’t exist. Like there’s nothing between liberal and ML communist.
So, you are saying that if someone wants the same end goal as you, but has a differing opinion on how we accomplish that, you insult them. I’m sure you change a lot of minds and make a lot of friends with your method.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
True leftism is when you reject reality, and anyone that doesn’t subscribe to your extremely niche, extremely online ideology is either a conservative or a centrist. Everyone who disagrees with you, whether on the basis of theory or history or material conditions or lived experience, is just too morally impure to achieve the same level of purity as you, you are the One True Leftist, and you’re not going to let little things like what things exist or are possible get in the way of that.
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
Wow, a fellow soulist. You’re being a bit too evangelical, though. We actually have a discord server with over 70 members! discord.gg/nfbVVyXK. And if you don’t like that one, there are two newer servers run by different mod teams. discord.com/invite/w7tvaR6s. discord.gg/5THVKZrk. Also, many soulists come from diverse walks of life and have more lived experience of realist oppression than nearly anyone. For example, I have schizotypal personality disorder, so my experience of reality is neurodivergent to begin with. There are many otherkin and plural systems within the community. Even material conditions, which are fake and socially constructed, can radicalise someone towards soulism. Over half of soulists are transgender. Obviously, soulism is more attractive to any trans person than realism, because it offers faster and more complete transition than any realist ideology.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
I am not a soulist. In fact, I consider it to be an extremely dangerous ideology. If you’re successful in undermining consensus reality, we’re going to have dragons and vampires running around terrorizing people. The moment reality becomes mutable enough for someone to turn themselves into something with mind control powers, like a mind flayer, we’re all fucked.
I am trans and neurodivergent, and I take offense at this statement:
Trans identities are not a rejection of reality. I don’t find your ideology appealing in the slightest. I believe in objective science, and the science is 100% on the side of trans people.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Why do you think Hexbear are not Communists?
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
They don’t want to have a communist revolution. They want to have a socialist revolution and then wait for the state to implement communism on its own. A true communist would act to bring about communism.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
Have you by any chance read The Communist Manifesto or Critique of the Gotha Programme? Both are very short reads, and give some level of idea of what Marx is directly advocating for, as opposed to his general critique of Capitalism or his philosophical work on Dialectical Materialism. Marx was no Anarchist, he advocated for building Communism over time. This didn’t mean “waiting for the state to one day turn on the Communism switch,” that ignores his entire philosophy of Historical Materialism, whereby societal contradictions are worked out over time, as nothing is inherently static and everything is in motion.
None of this requires any of Lenin’s work to be read at all.
If you’re saying that a “True Communist” would somehow magically create Communism directly via revolution and not over time, then Marx was not a “True Communist.” At this point, you’re deeply silly, and simply redefining Anarchism as “True Communism” to win a game of semantics and label all non-Anarchists as conservatives.
downpunxx@fedia.io 2 years ago
ha!
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 years ago
“a plague on both your houses” rofl