Comment on The men vs. bear saga reaches the inevitable conclusion
MamboGator@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I never understood this debate. Of course a woman would feel safer with a large gay man at her side.
That’s because it wasn’t meant to be a debate, it was meant to illustrate a point.
People who didn’t get it and people who did get it but didn’t like it (i.e. misogynists) turned it into a debate. The latter also proved that point with the large number of rape and death threats.
Yeah, god forbid people get angry when others make sexist remarks! They must be real misogynists for not liking sexism!
If you replaced the “man” with “black man” or “black person”, or if someone said this with immigrants, it wouldn’t need to be explained to you or anyone why this is a pretty fucked up thing to say, but for some reason when it’s just “man” it’s okay and anyone who disagrees is a misogynist, according to you. If I made a general frustrated remark about women, plenty of people would take issue with it, and I don’t think you’d would be saying “it wasn’t meant to be a debate, it was meant to illustrate a point”, would you?
How about just stop using sexist rhetoric? There are a lot of people on your side who would agree with you if you just dropped the needlessly sexist and divisive rhetoric.
And before you get there - and if not you then I’m sure someone will think of saying it - it’s true that the world and system we live in isn’t as hostile to men as women, but progressive spaces definitely tend to be that way. And believe it or not, that actually has an effect with pushing younger men into the arms of the alt right; you can insult them and just call them fascists if you like, but that doesn’t change the reality that young hormonal men going into progressive spaces and seeing this kind of rhetoric will feel excluded, pushed out, and like the world is against them.
See above re: people didn’t get it.
By the way, what is “my side” and what would they agree with me about?
Gr8 argument m8!
Should be pretty clear if you actually bothered to read it, but I’ll spell it out for you: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E-S; and overall people who acknowledge the experiences of women that this is supposed to highlight. And I am also on that side, I just think you’re doing an absolute shit job of it, being needlessly discriminating, and creating division - as I already explained.
Speculater@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think what bothered most men wasn’t that he was large, but that a woman would feel safer with any gay man that was with them.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m bi and only chubby… Where do I fall in this?
MamboGator@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think chubby bisexuals are classed as “pandas”
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I do like being punched in the face…
NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 6 months ago
I mean, as a dude, I damn sure would feel safest around lesbians if I was worried about that.
Idk what like the girl animal “equivalent” of a bear would be, except one that I am not quite sure if it is offensive or not.
Fucking queer is super accepted now, but then I watch my daughter, who has dated women before, and is not shy or ashamed, and I do believe is still fine with doing so in the future, call her brother or someone on YouTube gay as an insult.
Mrderisant@midwest.social 6 months ago
The current “equivalent” I’ve seen is would you rather share your emotions with a tree or a woman.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
A tree isn’t going to use those emotions you shared when your were feeling down against you when she gets mad that you forgot to unload the dishwasher two months later 🤷🏻♂️
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
A tree. Inanimated objects are good listeners.
NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 6 months ago
Tree, but I have anxiety issues and trees don’t trigger them
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Exceptional woman over average tree. Average tree over average woman. Exceptional tree? Not sure.
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 6 months ago
I’m bi and call stuff I don’t like ‘gay’ all the time. I also call stuff I like ‘gay’. I don’t think that the use of a term by those it applies to can really be negative as its more of an empowerment thing abt takibg the word back for the community. It’s like getting mad at people that call each other the n-word (especially if you aren’t black yourself).
Sanguine_Sasquatch@lemmy.world 6 months ago
As a sasquatch, I’d feel safer around a gay man
NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 6 months ago
I’m going to need to know what kind of sanguine you are.
ETA: added need to
Sanguine_Sasquatch@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m the sanguine kind of sanguine