Christianity I can understand, but would you mind explaining why you think feminism demonizes masturbation?
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SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Christianity and Feminism.
Archelon@lemmy.world 2 years ago
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Feminist demonize male sexuality.
Archelon@lemmy.world 2 years ago
See, that’s really interesting to me! The mainstream feminist spaces I’ve interacted with have been very sex-positive, so I’m curious how you’ve experienced this demonization.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Sex positive for women collectively, not for men as a whole.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Okay provide some links to these mainstream feminist circles that celebrate male sexuality and or are sex positive about men having sex. I’m genuinely interested.
underisk@lemmy.ml 2 years ago
That’s not an explanation you just restated the claim they asked you to elaborate on. What have you encountered that led you to this conclusion?
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Yes it is, masturbation is a part of male sexuality. If you demonize male sexuality any endorsement of male sexual expression is an explicit endorsement of the harmful male sexuality.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
Not really.
Feminism embraces openness in society, including walking your own path.
If that includes deviating from cis male sexuality, then yes, feminism does indeed allow that to happen, if it happens naturally. In other words: feminism does not force you to take part in the toxic masculinity circlejerk.
In that way, yes, feminism probably reduces the amount of “male sexuality” which is based toxic masculinity in the world. But it does not force that change, instead, it lets it happen.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
My ass. Yes, maybe some inviduals do, but feminism itself does not. Feminists only ‘demonize’ male sexuality when it starts turning into treating us as walking fleshlights.
t0fr@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
I believe feminism has an issue with how women are portrayed in pornography and how that can influence men’s views and expectations of women.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I seriously doubt it causes either of those. Source?
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Read the rest of this thread.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 years ago
No thanks. The question was about negative effects, and you gave your response. I’d like you to explain how masturbation turns you into a Christian and/or feminist.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Okay whatever, I already explained my position. I’m not going to repeat myself to every bad faith actor that wants to their own personalized explanation.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Nice strawman, I didn’t say it turns you into a feminist. I said Christianity and feminism demonize male sexuality and that ideology is deeply influential.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
How many anti-masturbation feminists do you know personally?
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Here’s an example of a prominant influential feminist calling all men rapists.
"Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
- Andrea Dworkin
prrclld@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Most the different waves of feminisms are actually quite vocal about masturbation being a positive thing regardless of gender.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Feminists infamously had a moral panic about pornography in the 1970’s as adult theaters and the nascent home video porno market started to take off.
They predicted pron would condition men to expect sex on demand and sexual assault rates would skyrocket when in fact the opposite happened.
You see this same moral panic from feminists regarding AI girlfriends and you there’s a rising fundamentalist strain of feminism that still says porn is dangerous.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
Reminds me of “computer games turns teenagers into killer machines” saying.
interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
I think you’re right about the porn thing, but that isn’t masturbation
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
The current 3rd/4th wave feminism finds male sexual pleasure very abhorrent. If you can find anything in the mainstream discourse coming from a feminist that says otherwise please share.
Feminists can’t even agree to be against circumcision which is clearly genital mutilation.
BoneALisa@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Thats just not true my dude, there is nothing about feminist thought that says that male pleasure is abhorrent. To think so shows a lack of understanding of feminism…
MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Feminism suffers from being very broad. There are a lot of conflict viewpoints living under the umbrella of feminism and people saying that their interpretation is the correct one. And there ate a bunch of waves of feminism too, each one a bit different.
So there are absolutely feminists who are anti male. They may be a loud fringe minority, but they’re there.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Okay, post some mainstream feminist discourse that says otherwise. Highly influential feminist like Dworkin go as far as saying that any sexual intercourse with men is sexual assault.
Bertuccio@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Got caught beating it at work, eh?
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I don’t find downplaying the gentital mutation of innocent babies funny. I’m not sure why feminists do.