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• Mojave@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wouldn’t this imply that science didn’t exist before academic publication existed? Was zero science conducted before the ~1600s then?

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  • Zo0@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well you’re not entirely incorrect with that assumption. What we call science today is actually the Scientific Method Which is a much more skeptical approach to science than the earlier methods, hence the credibility. I like many others agree that the fees built into the system is quiet absurd but currently that is the only legit way to get others evaluate your research.

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    • thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The word “legit” there is doing alot of work.

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    • Mojave@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I ask with genuine curiosity, as I am not an academic and come from a software development mindset

      Why is paid-for services the only “legit” way to get others to evaluate your research? Why is it not kosher to publicly publish your research, and simply invite peers to evaluate it? This idea is essentially the entire process behind Open Source Software, and is the backbone of most modern tools/programs/apps/software/linux development.

      What does paying a publishing company provide you, as a researcher, that makes it worth it?

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  • oce@jlai.lu ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fair point, I should specify “modern science”. There’s quite a gap of scientific quality between traditional medicine and modern science based medicine for example.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Was zero science conducted before the ~1600s then?

    I mean, yes. The framework of studying things that we understand as science did not always exist.

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    • Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Every time someone thinks science and studying natural phenomena are the same thing Newton sheds a single tear from his non-poked eye.

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, peer reviewing can happen in many ways. But it needs to be public.

    Sending letters also allows for peer reviewing.

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  • yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Before the 20th century most famous physicists referred to themselves as “natural philosophers,” not scientists. The P in PhD is for philosophy. The word “science” refers to a modern social phenomenon, a sort of peer review methodology that generates shared public knowledge.

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  • SmoothOperator@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Possibly. I can’t come up with any major results that wasn’t either logic, engineering or tradition. But it’s an interesting question. What might count as science before then?

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    • AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Pretty sure it was like this:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2xlQaimsGg

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    not as a discipline. If you publish an experiment to the extent it can be reproduced, it is science, so its happened before but in a less intentional fashion

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