You are so incorrect that I’m shaded you were able to use a keyboard that was diverted in your own drool. Go get a grip and use it to keep hold of a fucking clue.
Comment on Schools won't be allowed to teach children that they can change their gender ID, reports say
Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Good. Think too many people act like huge hormonal and surgical options are no big deal.
Seen loads of trans people say they always knew. Well they won’t need to be told if they know.
The UK has recently done research on the matter and realised that children were not getting the support required for not transitioning.
Gamoc@lemmy.world 1 month ago
sonori@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Trans people know they should be the other gender and that puberty causes massive permanent changes to their body they are horrified by. They often do not know that everyone else around them’s deepest fantasy isn’t to wake up one day as the other sex.
They do not know that there is a easy and harmless way to delay these permanent changes effecting their bodies until they are an adult and can make a informed decision, that if started early enough these medications create a path to eliminate the need for nearly all of the intensive surgeries that are otherwise in their future, can be stoped at any time if they don’t want to continue with it, or that these medications are deemed harmless enough to be freely handed out to their fellow cis children for a wide body of disorders, but which the NHS suddenly requires years of regular therapy trying to talk them out of it to “prove” they are deserving of if there is even a hint of them being trans.
Yes, this means that the NHS has for decades required that the child and their parents must know they are trans and how they feel about the exact effect of puberty years before the child even starts puberty in order to gain the majority of the benefits from these medications which doctors can freely prescribe for non trans children without any of these barriers.
When you talk about the recent UK “research” you are talking about the Cass report yes? The report that outright stated it ignored over a century of scientific research because thouse papers went double blind, meaning they secretly gave an equal number of cis children puberty blockers without their knowledge or gave trans children sugar pills without them realizing they are still going through puberty, which was subsequently ridiculed as a purely politically driven by hundreds of UK pediatricians and experts in the field, who’s authors were actively helping draft policy with American far right politicians that defines a child gaining any acess to puberty blockers or even social transition as child abuse and requiring years of prison time for the parents, and who despite all this own author’s stated that even with their standards that while the NHS gives little support for non-binary children the high barriers it maintains against trans children pausing puberty, socially transitioning, and other forms of gender confirming care are actively harming them.
But hey, if so many people are apparently treating acess to these medications as no big deal dispite all the evidence to the contrary, why do nearly half of trans people in the UK end of having to get these medications from grey market dealers in southern europe instead of their local chemist?
exocrinous@startrek.website 1 month ago
Trans people know they should be the other gender and that puberty causes massive permanent changes to their body they are horrified by. They often do not know that everyone else around them’s deepest fantasy isn’t to wake up one day as the other sex.
Can confirm. As a kid, I saw a lot of jokes about how horrible puberty is. I thought everyone felt the same way as me, since they all acted like it.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
If you put out any research going against giving children puberty blockers you’d be labelled as a “trans phobe” and be cancelled immediately by social activists who aren’t scientists. Children should be given therapy to love their bodies and who they are, even if they don’t fit male or female social norms. Not hormone blockers and HRT.
sonori@beehaw.org 1 month ago
The scientists of the 1880s, through every decade up to the modern day were all so terrified of being called transphobes that they secretly conspired to fake the entire field’s research? Right, that makes sense.
You definitely promise that they’d be canceled too, and not given constant interviews by the Daily Mail, Fox News(the largest and most watched television news station in America), and the BBC(looking to show both sides of banning only certain people from getting otherwise uncontroversial and freely prescribed medication). None of thouse outlets would ever be interested in interviewing them say things their editors are pushing for.
They would also certainly not then get millions in dollars to continue their research by groups like the Heritage Foundation, the group which in 2016 focused group tested ways to create new culture war issues and identified the decades old practice of prescribing puberty blockers to children who have fought through years of therapy as one of the effective things for conservative outlets and politicians to push.
Yes, questioning children should be given love, therapy, and the choice to delay the permanent changes brought on by puberty until they are an adult and can make an informed decision, and not forced to because a politician copied an American far right party’s method to distract voters form the impacts of their economic policies by screwing over the thirty thousand English who are physically incapable of otherwise loving their own bodies.
Senal@programming.dev 1 month ago
The UK has recently done research on the matter and realised that children were not getting the support required for not transitioning.
Citation?
Streetlights@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I assume op is referring to the recent Cass review
Senal@programming.dev 1 month ago
The overview had no mention of a lack of support for “not transitioning” it’s certainly possible I’m missing it or it’s in the full report (which I’ll read when I get a few minutes).
One mention of the need for corresponding levels of support for de-transitioning and some mentions of increased support for other issues alongside the gender based ones.
It sounds like OP had a specific section/sections in mind, if this is indeed the report they were referencing I’d appreciate some indication to which part they were referencing specifically.
“The overview didn’t mention it, but its somewhere in this 232 page report” isn’t the most useful when trying to understand where someone is coming from.
Streetlights@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes I’m also not entirely sure what op meant, I assume they will be along shortly to update us.
exocrinous@startrek.website 1 month ago
Personally I think we should be giving kids a lot more support in not transitioning. And by transitioning, I mean transitioning from a girl to a woman or from a boy to a man. If the child isn’t 100% certain they want to go through with massive irreversible hormonal changes, they shouldn’t. I don’t care whether those hormones come from a pill or from a gonad. They can make an informed decision whether to continue with puberty when they’re 16-18
exocrinous@startrek.website 1 month ago
You’re a murderer of children.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Case in point. Anyone who tries to argue against the agenda gets pressured out of it by being called a “murderer”.
exocrinous@startrek.website 1 month ago
That’s not true, but I wish it was. I wish everyone who tried to argue against saving children’s lives was pressured out of it by being called a murderer. Instead, murderers like Robert Galbraith are freely appearing in parliament to argue in favour of this legislation.
And I know you can’t tell from the headline, but this new rule against sex ed in schools also prohibits telling children what parts of their body are not okay for an adult to touch. Thanks to this new law, we will have a generation of children who are unable to report sexual abuse. Anyone who is in favour of this law is aiding and abetting pedophiles and getting children raped.
Senal@programming.dev 1 month ago
Labels aside, the only thing that post contains is a personal opinion, a personal anecdote and then an unspecific reference to something that may or may not exist.
Calling that an argument is a very generous interpretation.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Seen loads of trans people say they always knew.
Uh what?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
A lot of people I grew up with who thought they were trans simply grew out of it. Many of them were pressured into it, or were doing it because they thought they weren’t masculine/feminine enough to fit with societal norms. Or just wanted to be different. I was pressured into it as well when I was younger and made to identify as non binary because “cis men are bad” and I couldn’t be a cis man in that friend group or something. Could have went worse.
sonori@beehaw.org 1 month ago
So what your saying is that you have gone through years of therapists telling you not to transition every two weeks, and accidentally been given a medication that delayed the decision until you were more mature and which you could stop taking at any time with no serious side effects. Turely that was a fate so horrible that it’s worth taking the decision away from the thirty thousand English for which it was demonstrably the right decision.
PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sounds like bullshit.
Ismay@programming.dev 1 month ago
That is so wrong.
I’m 41. Figured it out around 36 because I never had the vocabulary to describe it and understand it. And I was miserable.
That’s “don’t say gay” bullshit aimed at making us invisible. And you.ve regress from “no pu blocker” to “don’t talk about it”. Nice support.
Enjoy your youth suicide rate…