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Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You are missing the point.

  It’s not about your shop. It’s about everyone making their own furniture… which doesn’t scale and isn’t feasible.

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  • enbyecho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is a totally specious argument. Everyone doesn’t have to make 100% of their own furniture any more than every one has to grow 100% of their food.

    If I make two chairs it’s more efficient than 1 chair and I only need to spend maybe 70% more time than 1, not 100% I sell/barter one chair to my neighbor, who, because they have grown 6 tomato plants instead of 4 (at most 10% more of their labor), has excess tomatoes and gives me some in exchange.

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    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Bro I think you are vastly overestimating the produce yield of a homegrown tomato plant let alone 6

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      • Peddlephile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Two tomato plants far exceeded what we needed. We sacrificed the remainder to the possums and birds.

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      • enbyecho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m curious if you have numbers on that or you are just assuming low yields.

        I happen to know exactly how much a tomato plant grows because over 20 years of commercial farming I kept records. It varies a lot by variety and season and even how we are responding to market needs but in general I tend to get about 800-1400 lbs per 200 ft row for indeterminate tomatoes over the season. A farmer I know at lower elevation gets a lot more but they have a longer season, better soil and, crucially, water a lot more than we do – my method cuts yield but increases quality. We use a 2 ft spacing for F1 varieties so that’s about 100 plants (more like 95, but whatevs) so let’s call it 8 pounds per plant = 48 lbs of tomatoes. Again, this is quite generalized and it’s often way more. I also happen to know that’s going to be on the very low end of home garden yields because people tell me this shit. Also, for cherry tomatoes you can get probably 60-70% more since they are very prolific.

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      • Welt@lazysoci.al ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They might just be in a better climate than you! I had far more delicious sun-ripened tomatoes over the summer than I could eat. More than six plants to be fair, but most self-seeded anyway.

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      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        exactly.

        i’ve been gardening for years. it’s a supplement. for like 1-2months i get nice produce that can feed a few people for a few weeks. but that’s it.

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  • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It scaled and was feasible before the industrialization of production.

    I think you mean, you don’t want it to scale or be feasible.

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• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Who the fuck prioritized efficiency over quality in their backyard garden?

  The Billions of human beings who rely on it to live.

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  • meep_launcher@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think the imperative phrase here is backyard garden. They aren’t referring to a 40 acre field of wheat and potatoes, they probably are thinking a 10’x10’ raised bed.

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    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes but both in the comments and the post I’m comparing low yield home gardens to large yield industrialized farming. If anybody is trying to derail the conversation away from the topic of the discussion then that is on them, not me.

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      • enbyecho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’d urge you to consider what “yield” is and means and how “yield” plays out over the whole length of the industrialized food chain.

        The classic example from a producer’s perspective is that commodity level production has to be sorted and doesn’t get equal value for everything produced. So you may only get top dollar for 25-50% of what you grew and far less - possibly even zero - for the rest. Incredibly, it really is sometimes cost-effective to let the produce rot in the field if prices don’t support a profit.

        Then farther down the chain you have increasing losses and waste. By some estimates that’s as much as nearly 40% of all food produced. See also here.

        These factors only very rarely are brought up in these discussions in part because folks have very narrow conceptions of what “yield” means.

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  • Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What exactly does homegrown produce mean for you?

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• Sethayy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Funny enough ‘efficiency’ industrially tends to just mean what makes the most money anyways, so most crop’s have been trained to be nutrient sparse, yet large

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