I have absolutely encountered way more smug meat eaters than vegans or vegetarians… They go out of their way to make sexual jokes about forcing some sausage down people’s throats, too.
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Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I said this on another thread posted by a very antagonistic vegan: Acting holier-than-thou, smug, and hostile is not a good way to convince people of your arguments. It pushes people away and biases them against you and the argument you’re making.
Far too often I see vegans outright shaming and harassing people for choosing to eat meat, or acting smug and superior because they are making “the right moral decision” and everyone else is lessor for thinking otherwise.
Now, if I came here acting the same way, but I was championing eating only meat and shaming others for eating vegetables, I’m sure vegans would be upset for the same reason.
It’s gotten bad enough that a lot of people (admittedly myself included) are put off by vegans and their arguments. Not because the arguments don’t have merit (they certainly do) but because enough vegans have acted antagonistic or smug that they get shunned for it.
If you really want people to listen to you, you need to frame it from a friendlier and more down-to-earth position and not come across as hostile. The human mind tends to close itself off immediately when faced with hostility.
Kanzar@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
UckyBon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If you’re not vegan because of what other vegans might or might not do, maybe grow a pair and do what you think is best? Can’t people think for themselves anymore?
Kinda childish or sad not to do what you want because of others, most of whom you’ve never even met in real life.
Objection@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Thanks for your advice, but just to be sure it actually works, may I ask how many people you have convinced to go vegan?
Surely your advice is based on actual experience, right? You’re not just saying this because you disagree with veganism and want vegans to phrase their arguments in a toothless and ineffective way, right?
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Far too often I see vegans outright shaming and harassing people for choosing to eat meat,
As someone that has been Vegan before I assure its far far far far far far more common for it to be the other way around.
agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 1 month ago
And I have yet to encounter a single smug vegan. Not online, not offline.
But I’ve seen countless people like you fighting the just fight against vegan windmills (awesome Rügenwalder double reference for the German people here).
So where exactly are those vegans? Are they in the room with us right now? Or are you defining every mere mentioning of veganism as an attack because you deep down are afraid of actually having to confront the cognitive dissonance you’re living under?
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
With the Kirsti Noem controversy going on I’ve seen quite a few smug shit takes about veganism including (paraphrasing) “why are all you non-vegans outraged by this, it’s no different than murdering a cow for their meat”.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 month ago
How is that smug?
braxy29@lemmy.world 1 month ago
i mean, a great many people don’t appreciate being told they are murderers. it provokes defensiveness rather than an openness to pro-vegan arguments.
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It completely disregards other people’s feelings.
Objection@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Well, it’s not actually that different. There’s no consistent moral principle that explains why the animals we treat preferentially ought to be treated preferentially, it just comes dowm to cultural norms and which animals you think look cute. It’s worth examining whether our behaviors are grounded on what we actually think makes sense.