UIs get worse all the time, very frustrating. Who needs contrast, right? I have good eyes and know exactly where to look. My mother? Holy shit no chance.
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Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Simplifying the most recent scroll bar feels like a huge step backwards to me. It really is the epitome of modern tech needlessly boiling down to its basic visual aspects to emulate a “clean” environment for the users.
Give me back my scroll bar texture damnit
Eheran@lemmy.world 7 months ago
EyIchFragDochNur@feddit.de 7 months ago
Not necessarily the contrast but when i work I NEED FUCKING BORDERS FOR MY FUCKING BRAIN TO KEEP FUCKING STRUCTURE AND NOT EVERYTHING FADING OUT INTO …yeah thanks i lost the thread again
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Seriously fuck Wikipedia’s desktop redesign, I regret that I donated before the change
namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 7 months ago
In case you weren’t aware, there are extensions that you can use to restore the older (better) UIs. Here are a couple:
There are probably some for other browsers as well. I don’t use them though. I instead wrote myself a tampermonkey script to change it:
if (!window.location.search.contains('useskin')) { var new_url = window.location.protocol + "//" + window.location.hostname + window.location.pathname; if (window.location.search == "") { new_url = new_url + "?useskin=monobook"; } else { new_url = new_url + window.location.search + "&useskin=monobook"; } new_url = new_url + window.location.hash; window.location.replace(new_url); }
You can compare the available wikipedia styles on this page to see which one you like best: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Skin?useskin=mono…
Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
At least on the bright side, people are becoming much more aware of accessibility. I’d argue that old sites were accessible mainly on accident due to most being restricted to fairly straightforward CSS and HTML. The advent of Javascript was a dark time…
SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
I don’t think it was a pure accident as some non-accessible designs would still be possible with those limitations. IIRC scroll bars were taken from the OS back then, so if the OS didn’t have accessible design, it wouldn’t be a thing for the websites either.
namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 7 months ago
It’s really depressing how often I have to turn off CSS entirely just to view a webpage. I could of course always go into the inspector and turn off the bad CSS, but Gecko-based browsers fortunately have “View -> Page Style -> No Style” which is must easier and faster.
And seriously, whoever invented the
font-weightCSS property can burn in hell. Ditto for whoever decided that we should only be allowed to read light grey text on slightly lighter grey background.kurwa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Browsers have an accessibility check for contrast for this reason. More devs / designers should use it.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Its the epitome of technology that as it improves some things become obsolete.
Pretty much every mouse has a scroll wheel on them now. I very seldom click on a scroll bar now. So the design has changed with that consideration in mind.
Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 7 months ago
It’s a design choice, not a question of obsolescence. If it were, we’d be talking about their decision on removing the scroll bar, not changing it.
At the very least the style change could have been optional.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
There is still a need to indicate progress when scrolling even with a mouse wheel. So scroll bars are designed with that in mind. And there is still occasion that you may want to use it to brag the bar to a specific part of a page. But this is fairly rare, because how do you know what part of a page you want to go to before you’ve seen it?
Currently on my Firefox there is indeed no scrollbar displayed. If I use my mouse wheel a thin version appears to indicate progress while scrolling. If I move my mouse to the edge of the screen a wider version appears which is easier to interface with on the rare occasion I want to do that. This is an optimal interface given the hardware I have available.
On a phone or table the scrollbar will not be interacted with my clicking on it. It only appears to indicate progress.
The old scrollbar design is obsolete. Doesn’t make any sense on touchscreens and is a waste of screen space on desktops since people have scroll wheels now.
Obsolete doesn’t mean it no longer works, a horse and carriage still functions after all. Obsolete simply means there’s more optimal options available because of improvements in technology. The scrollbar on Firefox right now is more optimal because of newer technology. The scrollbars pictured are obsolete no matter how much nostalgia you might feel for them.
Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 7 months ago
My friend, obsolescence as a concept can apply to a functional necessity. Obsolete doesn’t apply to a design choice like a texture on a window element.
If your entire point is that scroll bars aren’t necessary anymore, fine. If you’re going to type up a long winded response as to why scroll bars shouldn’t have the little lines on them anymore, you’re just being pedantic.
Switorik@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
This. Holy shit is it frustrating to click a pixel wide scroll bar that is on the edge between two monitors. It’s even worse when they disappear.
aksdb@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Not just scrollbars. Buttons, input fields, etc.
Dammit I sometimes have to search for elements I can interact with. Back in the day it was self explaining.
axsyse@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
I recently had a complaint with a website:
“Users are having trouble scrolling!”
My response:
“Are they using the scroll wheel/directly scrolling with the touchpad, or using the scroll bar?”
They were, of course, using the scroll bar. I am now somehow responsible for design choices made at the level of the browser, because browsers have decided that the scroll bar should be nigh impossible to use. Yippee.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
What really chuffs my spuds is when the application decides they want to provide their own UI rather than using the system default.