I don’t know a lot about Denuvo, is it a bad thing? Why did you cancel your pre order based on that?
Comment on PAYDAY 3 will use Denuvo anti-piracy technology in its PC version
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I like to use Denuvo as an indicator of a bad release. For someone with over 2k hours on PAYDAY 2, I just cancelled my preorder.
Thank you for the fun times OVERKILL, sad to see you go this way.
Kerandir@lemmy.world 2 years ago
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 2 years ago
It’s a DRM scheme to protect against piracy. Over the years I saw more and more shitty titles use Denuvo on release because God forbid someone steal their cash grab. A lot of titles that are of quality usually do not see the need for Denuvo.
Therefore, nowadays, for me Denuvo serves as an indicator of a potentially shitty release. They slap Denuvo on top of it so that they can pump & dump.
Maybe I’ll buy the game when it’s on sale, but for now I am too skeptical, especially since slapping additional DRM on an already DRM’d game (it’s multiplayer only and always online, unlike previous parts that allowed offline play) does not make any sense to me.
Miqo@lemmy.world 2 years ago
It’s a very obnoxious and heavy-handed approach to anti-piracy measures. It slows down games, kills framerates, gives users a whole host of other performance issues, and just makes the experience worse overall. It’s a product that doesn’t even seem to care to improve, because they make their money from publishers, not the people who buy and play the game. Many people hate it, and I believe it’s absolutely justified.
beefcat@lemmy.world 2 years ago
There isn’t a lot of evidence to back these claims up. For most users, it’s entirely transparent. You would never know a game shipped with Denuvo unless your first launch is offline and it tries to activate.
There have been games that had their performance impacted, but I don’t think it’s the norm. Games like Doom 2016 shipped with it and saw no performance gains when Denuvo was eventually patched out. I think titles like Rime and RE8 are usually the exception, but it’s something I always watch out for in reviews. If a game runs bad, I don’t buy it, regardless of the cause.
Denuvo has proven successful for 2 reasons:
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It’s actually effective. Games go months or even years without a crack.
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It’s nowhere near as draconian as what came before (TAGES, StarForce, SecuROM, etc). Most players aren’t even aware of its existence. They just buy these games on Steam and they work.
Alimentar@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Honest question here. Could it be possibly that as they improved their DRM with more triggers and methods that it has started to impact performance since 2016?
As Empress was cracking Denuvo, I wouldnt be surprised if they started to quickly add extra defencive measures compromising what could have been optimised in the past.
Miqo@lemmy.world 2 years ago
So, I went back and tried to look for a source, but you’re right. Thanks for informing me! From the few sources I read, those issues were debunked, exaggerated, or due to bad implementation. I want to add that I still don’t like the idea of Denuvo (or any other DRM) on digital media that I purchase, but that’s a different topic.
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Braydox_ofAstroya@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Denuvo in particular causes performance issues. And drm in general just gives the paying customer an inferior product when the pirates will just just get the better version.
qaz@lemmy.world 2 years ago
It’s DRM known for causing performance issues.
CatZoomies@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Ultra980@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Don’t forget KSP2! Worst €50 I’ve spent.
TowerofPimps@lemmy.world 2 years ago
KSP2?
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Kerbal Space Program 2
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 2 years ago
It’s out? And it’s bad?
Ultra980@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Yes, and yes. It lacks a lot of features, the performance is terrible and it has a tonne of bugs. It’s like taking KSP and swapping the times when it glitches when the times it doesn’t. That’s how bad it is.
BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 2 years ago
What was broken in Returnal on launch? Unless you mean the pc relaunch, I didn’t pay attention to that.
CatZoomies@lemmy.world 2 years ago
BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 2 years ago
Okay… so… no answer then. Thanks!
dangblingus@lemmy.world 2 years ago
What was broken about Returnal?
Phegan@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Based
kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
It really depends. There are some fan-fucking-tastic games that I did preorder, like FFXVI, Metro Exodus, SF6, TLOU:2 (I didn’t like the story, gameplay + graphics saved it for me), Zelda: TOTK, Elden Ring… the list goes on.