cops need way more training on not going to lethal force in the first place. but that’s a different topic.
Yeah, that tends to be my response as well. I usually try not to second guess a stressful situation where I wasn’t there, but all too often it really seems like lethal force is the goto response in way too many cases.
The example above where a female cop killed a junkie approaching her …. The post was intended to demonstrate multiple shots may be necessary, but what I saw was that after telling the guy to stop, the cops only option was lethal force. I’d really like to see some of these anecdotes show cops trying other options, even if it eventually escalated to lethal force
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Police in Finland regularly stop suspects by shooting them into leg which according to many Americans is impossible due to how inaccurate pistols are. That apparently means the alternative is then to dump the entire mag into the torso.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Got a proper source on that claim there? Cuz… yeah.
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 11 months ago
I did find a great many links to this article, but so far nothing to support that they do it regularly.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/finland-stabbing-suspect-shot-in-leg
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you’ll note that they don’t say he was shot in the thigh intentionally. I suspect that they were aiming center mass and were just off. it happens. hitting a running target is… well here, the FBI tallies a ~47% chance to hit between 5-15 feet. (this is comparison to an 87% chance to be hit if you’re standing still.)
Shots to extremities happen, nobody is saying they don’t. But doing so on purpose is almost impossible. Especially on a running target. Even with a rifle.
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Situations where Finnish police result to using their firearm are rare to begin with but you can just google it and find several articles with examples of this.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 months ago
not to be a stickler, but the source makes no mention of it being on purpose. I suspect you won’t find a source that makes that claim.
Also, as for the general use of force in Finland vs America, it’s two different scenarios. Vast cultural differences in general… but for some perspective… there’s 2 national and 11 local agencies in finland, comprising ~7.5k cops. (per statista), all of which have direct over sight form the Ministry of the Interior.
For comparison, in the US there are 17,985 agencies, ranging from the federal government to local police to sherifs and state police. All of whom have their own oversight systems. we have more agencies than you have cops. and all of those agencies have their own, unique requirements for training and qualifications. hell, some states, they don’t even have to have any education outside of highschool or GED. (actually in many places… that’s preferred. for reasons.)
Americans are also rather more violent than Fins. Just saying.
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
How regularly?
520@kbin.social 11 months ago
Very rare. You can usually count the annual deaths by law enforcement on your fingers.