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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 23 hours agoGetting all meat eaters to cut intake by 50% is easier than getting 50% of meat eaters to turn vegan.
Arguably carnivores have already cut meat intake, at least red meat, to greater impact than vegetarians.
While I’m going by anecdote rather than data
Basically one fewer burger a week by 100 people has more impact than one person not eating meat at all
Even a switch from beef burger to chicken burger would have a substantial CO2 impact.
I think that’s not true. The easiest would be to ban animal farming, which would cut consumption nearly entirely.
“The easiest way is just me fiating this impossible idealistic nonsense in my own head”
You do you, man.
Well easier than cutting everybody’s consumption by 50% lmao
You’d first need to capture the current consumption for everyone, so yes, a ban would be way easier to implement
I agree an authoritarian ban would not be well received, and likely circumvented.
The 50% cut in consumption could be achieved voluntarily through subsidy, tariffs, education and health arguments.
Brb, giving up my entire means of livelihood in an environment where I can’t even sell off my assets because they are also banned, all in this job market. Sounds like a good way to quickly block major roadways with tractors, fuck cars should be happy.
I am sure farmers could get free money to compensate, just like they did when trump fucked the soy trade with China. I didn’t hear about tractors on streets when that happened.
How is that easy?
You know, just like the prohibition, or banning drugs, you sign a law and because farms are usually big it’s easy to track them down.
Top down approaches are almost never the answer.
Ah good to know, let’s ignore all laws then, abolish religion and live in Anarchy. Wait that’s actually also fine with me.
Um you know that historically lack of food lead to cannibalism right? … It’s still a thing today, everyday.
You’re aware that there wou’d be more food, not less if we banned meat?
Gimme some of of that listeria, e. coli, salmonella, the parasite thing I had from a salad, etc. There wouldn’t be more food. Diversity is what keeps us alive. You do you, but I don’t think you understand how the world works. And please tell me how rice and beans will keep me alive in -40 degree weather. I guess I should just chug olive oil.
And yeah, sure it was nice when I had my own garden in Vermont. But now I get to play Russian roulette, except 5/6 chambers have rounds. I hate to shit on you since you have good intentions but it’s a naive take.
I don’t think fighting a civil war qualifies as an “easy way”.
The government has the police and the military, there’s no way a guy with a rifle is doing something against an F15.
Yes and and the police and military will absolutely just enforce this ban without question … they are quite famously vegan.
I actually retract my statement. We’d only be fighting vegans, so we probably could knock out the civil war in a couple of days.
An incremental step would be making it more expensive through taxes or regulation. A possible improvement rather than sitting on an impossible ideal
I’d take that, but is that going to happen? Doesn’t seem more realistic than a total ban.
Would you be willing to take up arms for that fight? Because meat eaters would be.
Yes, of course I would be ready. Meat eaters would take up arms like they take up arms to fight the Tyrants taking over the country.
People with firearms have them because they are scared, not because they would fight.
Thats not how world markets work though. 20% of meat eaters turning vegan would compound vegan movement more than 50% less meat consumed. The former grows vegan market explicitly while the latter just maybe shrinks the meat market only.
True. The goal of less animal farming may just achieve cheaper meat prices. Probably some tarrif/subsidy policy is needed to actual reduce production.
myyass@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
And that’s a more reasonable way of thinking. I tried being a vegetarian and a vegan. Not compatible with my body and factoring in supplements, too expensive.