4k is only ridiculous if you play games seated at a desk. Videogames are still ultimately a livingroom toy at their heart, and there are people who’ve graduated from game consoles to PCs and still want to play on the couch. That means distance from your TV, which means the TV has to be pretty large. Lower resolutions on a TV that size do not look good.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 days ago
i miss when GPUs just rendered the game, and that was all.
None of this upscaling, AI graphics altering bullshit that is there ultimately to distract from the impotent promises of 4k gaming, which is unnecessarily ridiculous to begin with.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Nilz@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
The relationship between screen size and distance to viewer decides at what resolution you won’t be able to notice more detail at a higher resolution. 4K on a desktop monitor can make the same amount of sense (or not) as on a TV (or phone, or any other device with a display really).
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That’s not true at all. 1080p on an appropriately large tv at a proper viewing distance will be far worse as those pixels are stretched out.
SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Either I’m greatly misunderstanding you, or you have that completely backwards. The further you are from a screen the smaller the pixels are in your field of view, and the less jagged the image will look. If you are closer to your screen the easier it is to see individual pixels, thus they need to be smaller to get a smoother image.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Which is bull, because we’ve been playing games from our couches for like 40 years and there were beautiful, amazing, wonderful graphics long before the 4k propaganda.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Here is what gaming looked like 40 years ago hint it looked like dogshit but we loved it
…nintendo.com/…/7f1c647eef54f9ea832d956f6579cc47a…
Modern gaming looks fantastic in 4K.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
Using one of the most popular and beloved games of all time and calling it “dogshit”… that’s one way to win an argument I guess.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I mean… no?
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 days ago
No, I think you denying reality because of sunk cost fallacy has said enough.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Pretty sure lots of old games still look great. Why else would there be modern pixel art games still coming out? The graphics of yore may not have been advanced but they had an art style which is more important than graphics and more than most modern AAA games.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 5 days ago
you have a big stache of C O P I U M.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Ummmm 4k is way less important at couch distance compared to desk distance. Most of us don’t have TVs that occupy the same field of view from the couch as a monitor does at the desk. For example I have a 32 inch monitor at my desk 1.5 feet away and a 65 inch TV about 10 feet away. Sure the TV has 4x the viewing area but my viewing distance is more than 4x so the picture is not as crisp.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You are almost right. It depends on viewing distance as you correctly noted the given viewing distance and screen sizes its pretty easy to tell the difference between 1080p and 4K in most people’s living room especially since big ass screens are cheap and big ass houses expensive.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That won’t compensate enough for how low that pixel density is on that size of a TV on a video game. The subpixel aliasing will be notably worse on the TV.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
While I do agree, upscaling is nice when your primary monitor is 4k, because playing 1080 on a 4k monitor looks like a pixel art game.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 days ago
This is kinda weird since 4K monitors have no trouble drawing at 1080p and don’t look worse than 1080 monitors doing so.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Depends on the scaling algorithm. Most renderers are probably going to apply some filtering causing the whole image to be a blurry mess, rather than use a crisp nearest neighbour.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This just isn’t even slightly true. I have 2 4K monitors and a 1080p one. I can visibly see that using either 4K monitor looks similar to the 1080p other than having slightly superior color fidelity on the 4K. That is the 4K looks BETTER than the 1080p.
Intuitively I feel like you can trivially draw 1080p on a 4K panel by literally drawing 4 pixels for every 1 in the source whether that is the exact mechanics or not it is just plainly obvious that this isn’t so. I feel like people are thinking of older monitors drawing at non-native resolutions which are not exact multiples of native. I have literally never seen anyone’s 4K display be blurry displaying games running at 1080p which is common for performance reasons.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Part of the reason why I don’t do 1080 screens above 22"
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 days ago
And I mean you bought the 4k monitor, so for it not to be a good choice for gaming needs to be addressed. Can’t have that money go to waste. Not your fault you fell for the marketing again.
At least movies will look good on it.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Pretty L sarcastic take tbh. I work on my pc, I also have 3 screens at my pc, 4k is invaluable as I can get so much more done more easily when I don’t spend my time scrolling through code. Working on anything below 1440 feels cramped.
I guess movies could look good, I wouldn’t know tho.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 days ago
Cool, yet my point on gaming still stands. Most places I installed screens at had us (mostly done by the roll up software) turn the res down (so people can read it). You can use 4k I am sure, knock yourself out, but we are in crazy land where your need to have 4k has left us all in a nightmare of shit performance and fake frames.
“Such a L take” is funny from the people with more money then sense who always seem to revert to a “get gud” defense when confronted with the idea that maybe spending more is not always a good idea.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 days ago
4k monitors look fine rendering 1080p
If you have a pixel
1
A 4K monitor can in the same physical space draw
1 0 0 1
Showing more real detail it can also display in 1080p mode
1 1 1 1
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 days ago
Yes, thank you for explaining that. No I will not buy a 4k smart TV, as I don’t care and like my 1080p (and even old tube 480p tvs) the way it looks.
This is just more “please buy our shit” sort of crap we have to deal with way way too much these days.