Plenty of us survived rough childhoods and now deal with cptsd, got bullied, the whole jazz, and somehow managed not to become insufferable assholes. They could have done that too but chose not to.
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SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
That’s actually really sad. Not because I agree with him, but because it’s always sad to see this sort of falling down. Like imagine, a parallel timeline where this person’s parents hadn’t abused them, and they hadn’t had been bullied or whatever, or had faced repercussions for poor behavior, or had gotten the help they needed years ago. Right? Like if something hadn’t gone wrong, they wouldn’t have ended up like this.
Knowing that all the magas, Nazis, real tankies (the ones that REALLY want to just slaughter anybody that disagrees, iron fist style), all the bullies and buttholes out there, and all the other messed up of us, who fall down into evil or extreme burnout… Knowing this happens at all, is still sad, to me.
I’m American and think you know who needs to be you know what’ed. But even then, knowing that he grew up in such a disgusting environment, ruining him, not ever really allowing his upper brain functions to fully come to, and the past-but-then-future path for him that was inevitable of bad behavior and responses from society that would drive him to be exactly like this… Knowing that shit happens to humans, in our species, theoretically within our control, is sad. And seeing obvious predictions and fears come to pass in real-time is never fun.
With the admiral patrick guy, it’s pathetic and gross and shitty and honestly good riddance, but still the human part of me is like, that confusion and frustration he’s obviously avoiding and coping with ego and trying to fill the sadness with “you are all sociopaths harassing me and at least I tried to stand my ground”… Like he obviously doesn’t quite understand, and honestly, truly, neither do we. He stood up for his shitty moderate centrist beliefs for some real goal, behaved like an outcast petulant child, and handled it relatively poorly. But like, I see this shit all the time from all SORTS of people, in all sorts of capacities, public or not.
I won’t miss him. I don’t use an html lemmy interface. I luckily don’t have to run an instance (thank you, Ada). But it would be inhuman of me to absolutely, irresponsibly condemn this dude to shitty-hell for trying to do something that his twisted mind probably thought was right. Will he change? Probably not. Will he get worse? Probably. Will he directly hurt somebody? I hope not. Will he likely fall in with a worse crowd? Happens ALL the time.
So I beg of everybody here, to stop, and consider what went wrong for this guy. Put yourself in his shoes, I know that’s too big an ask for most people - but that’s kind of my point, and the problem here. He fucked up, he based it on fucking up, and somewhat kept fucking up even after he left (a ddos script? Really?). But pain only begets more pain. Really try to figure out what went wrong, what the points in time were where he REALLY could have been recovered by any of us or somebody in real life. You aren’t going to get the right answer. A lot of us are going to get the wrong answer. But just try to incorporate empathy into your life going forwards, because there’s a lot of bullshit and horror and hate and pain happening in the world today, and we are all trying to do what we think is best and most efficient to do the right thing. And we need to, at least, learn from this event and be better.
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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
This probably makes me sound like a conservative… but their inability to make more pro-social choices makes me think they’re fucking weak and insufferable. Like I feel like Smithers glowering down at them, saying “Pathetic.”
Because it is pathetic to take being hurt and spin into more hurt. About as pathetic and weak and shallow as can be.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
real tankies (the ones that REALLY want to just slaughter anybody that disagrees, iron fist style)
Aka the kind that only exist in liberal campfire stories to justify their self conception as “reasonable moderates”
Ludrol@szmer.info 3 days ago
Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg.
It’s also sad the reaction of loud minority of crazy people that will send stuff like that. No one should receive death threats.
We all make mistakes.
Nickelalloy@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Thank you for this reply, wish I could give this one a badge of some sort.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
As someone who was abused and didn’t grow up into a pile of shit, it’s really hard for me to agree with this.
I think if your choice is to get worse, it says a lot about you that experiencing abuse will never excuse.
Like all those guys who turn right wing because someone had the audacity to call them out on shitty behavior. It speaks to who they are.
They still have agency, they still have choices, and they still make shitty ones.
Nah I can’t, this mod sucks. No excuses need to be made for shit behavior.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
I think that a person gets a little sympathy for their bad childhood when they show a willingness to be better than that, not before.
Like, I am capable of an absurd degree of forgiveness, but the person in question has to show that they’re worthy of it—they don’t just get it for free.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 days ago
Yeah, it displays a serious lack of self reflection. I was on a bad track as a teenager/young adult, hating the world and being a real dick about it. Eventually I realized that feeling so pissed off and lonely all the time actually sucks and I should work on myself to try and improve that situation and have a more positive impact on people’s lives. It took some time and a lot of effort but it worked out okay and I’m widely considered to be a fairly likeable person now.
This person and people like them clearly haven’t made the effort to be better and don’t deserve our patience until they’ve done something to improve. It’s sad that circumstances have led them to be where they are and we should do what we can to prevent others from ending up there but it’s not our responsibility to accept abuse from damaged people.