Comment on What's the difference between ignorance and stupidity?

DigDoug@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Racoonwithbenefits@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Stupidity is also inability to learn

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  • AskewLord@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    inability to learn is a choice.

    they do not want to make the effort.

    whether or not that effort is worthwhile, however, is the question.

    I am learning Russian. lots of people I met recently, love to tell me how stupid it is because it’s not a ‘useful’ thing to learn.

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    • Deconceptualist@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      inability to learn is a choice.

      Not always. Someone close to me has issues with executive dysfunction and short term memory as a result of brain trauma. She really struggles with algebra and she’ll almost certainly never learn calculus even if she wanted to.

      lots of people I met recently, love to tell me how stupid it is because it’s not a ‘useful’ thing to learn.

      That’s a different issue entirely. If they think they’re experts at judging what’s useful, that may be the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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      • jmp242@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think we overuse dunning kruger. “useful” is very contextual. I would agree that for many people it would take some specific and dare I say unusual circumstances where learning another language is particularly useful to them. There’s some use in that you get a bit of a puzzle to overcome, you can potentially eventually get good enough to consume content in this other language (though one thing LLMs are pretty good at is translation), maybe you get a more direct exposure to Dovstoyestky (sp?). Cool and all, but probably not going to get them a better job or help them with most life tasks.

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    • Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Cognitive impairments and differing cognitive ability are very much real things 😅 people can have an inability to learn, and/or an unwillingness to learn, but there very much are people who have the former and not the latter

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      • AskewLord@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        those people can learn plenty well.

        it just takes more time and effort.

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• Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ignorance can be used to refer to both cases.

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  • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    yeah but that’s a phrase not a word: “willful ignorance.”

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    • Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s used interchangeably

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