We should abolish all art since there will always be someone with a disability who isn’t able to enjoy it.
Comment on Three developers' different philosophies on difficulty for their games
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 9 hours agoEveryone who is opposed to difficulty sliders should be forced to spend 200 hours on each game using a controller that simulates dyspraxia by randomly adjusting every movement of the sticks by a random degree and lagging every button press by a few microseconds before they’re allowed to play it normally.
Add an additional 400 hours if they also say smug shit like this when pretending their ableism and elitism are just devotion to artistic integrity.
The devs who make games without difficulty sliders should never get their undoctored controllers back.
ashenone@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Do you think the entire artistic value of soulsikes is in their difficulty? That it would ruin them if players with worse reaction time were given the ability to progress at the same rate as players with exceptional reaction time? That Dark Souls would be essentially the same if instead of Gwyn, Lord of Cinder, there was just a floating hitbox with 4,185 health? What a fucking insult to Miyazaki’s writing
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Since I’ve seen your other reply, this got even funnier. “Do you think the entire point of pizza is sauce? What a fucking insult to cheese.”
“Pizza has sauce and cheese. People like pizza that has sauce and cheese.”
“I LOVE PIZZA, I JUST THINK PIZZA SHOULD HAVE LESS SAUCE! IT WON’T CHANGE THE PIZZA!”
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
How exactly do you think your analogy works? Because I think it actually makes perfect sense to let people put less sauce on their pizza if they want less sauce on their pizza
ashenone@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
Do you think the entire artistic value of soulsikes is in their difficulty?
I mean the entire theme of souls games is overcoming rediculous challenges in the face of what seems like an impossible task. These aren’t games with amazingly written dialogues, or intricate in depth stories. The game you play is the story of your character dieing repeatedly until they overcome a great challenge to meet their goals. It would fundamentally change the game if you could just slide a bar to make it easier.
Let me ask you this, why do you think every game should cater to you? Isn’t it OK for some art to not be for everyone? Isn’t that what we tells chuds when they whine and moan about main characters being women or poc? Why can’t some art be about the overcoming a challenge?
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Sure, and what counts as a ridiculous challenge depends on the player. I can promise you that you have an easier time beating the Dancer of the Boreal Valley at 5,111 health than I would if she only had 2,500. We are playing at different difficulty levels already. The challenge is harder for me.
Let me ask you this, why do you think every game should cater to you?
I don’t. I don’t like visual novels because there’s not enough action, so I don’t play visual novels. I don’t care for sports, so I don’t play sport games. I don’t enjoy the basic mechanics of fighting games, so I don’t play fighting games.
I do enjoy Fromsoft games. I apparently like the stories more than you do since you’re actively insulting them, and everything between boss fights is fantastic. Literally the only thing I’m asking for is the ability to play a game that I already like at the same level of difficulty that you play at. Again, it would not fundamentally change the game if the Ancient Wyvern had half as much health.
roboflop@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
I really don’t know where I land on this. I have severe concentration and coordination issues that flair up post covid, this means that I frequently can’t play Fromsoft games. Admittedly I’m lucky enough that this is not constant, but I think I’m still glad their games exist in the way they do. They are just one developer and it’s a niche genre.
ashenone@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
I have wicked adhd and there are plenty of authors I can’t enjoy because their prose is too dense. I don’t demand they write to my level, I choose books that I can enjoy reading. Video games seems to be the only art form where people feel entitled to enjoyment rather accepting there will be things that your just not capable of enjoying. If Fromsoft thought they could make their vision with difficulty sliders I’m sure they would. But if they can’t do that then they should never feel obligated to reduce their vision to something lesser to make it more palatable to wider audience
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
I’ve never heard a blind person demand that all paintings get narrated. I’ve heard them get real excited when it does happen, which is super nice, but the common expectation is and probably should be, you aren’t able to experience everything. So just enjoy the things you can instead.
I worked as a guide at a rather large museum. We would frequently have various ‘disability friendly tours’. One of em was for blind people (i took them almost exclusively to multimedia or otherwise sound, touch, smell based works unless specifically asked don’t worry).
NEVER have i encountered someone upset that the art was not made available for them. Simply never was in issue. At all. And considering this was a 20 people or group, many tours a day for years thing, i must’ve had well over a thousand people through. Never been an issue.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
If someone wants to gate their game to people who can handle the level of difficulty, that’s their choice. There are plenty of developers who are willing to be accommodating, to get hung up on games that don’t
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
“There are plenty of ADA compliant buildings, don’t get hung up on the ones that aren’t”…
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 3 hours ago
Are you suggesting that games that don’t provide difficulty settings violate the ADA?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Personally I oppose difficulty sliders because I think they are overly broad and stupid, looking at you Bethesda and your lowsy ass health bar padding. Give me more zomboid and owlcat style difficulty setting where I can customize them in all minutiae.
But no seriously fuck difficulty sliders cause 9/10 they do overly broad gameplay things that some of which I may not want. This is coming from a guy who beat Boltgun on its hardest difficulty with the clown vomit filter so it’s not like I can’t enjoy ulta hard difficulty but what some consider ultra hard I may consider annoying as fuck see yet again Bethesda health bar padding. I do like NV 4s hardcore/survival mode though.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
I think Mortal Kombat does it best. When you die to a boss, that boss becomes ever so slightly less difficult. Unnoticeably so at first, but as you die more and more and more, they get slower and slower and slower
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Honestly adaptive difficulty has basically the inverse issue of fucking with shit when I don’t want it. But there is a subtype of it that I do like, that being thingd like the narrative AI in the Dead Space remake which can do really neat shit to fuck with the player and keep them on their toes. Though for me it just made everything foggy especially that one level where it’s just a bunch of cat walks which I’m pretty sure is already a low light area, seriously I couldn’t see shit and kept getting lost in what amounted to a five foot area.
But yeah doing that for a skilled based game like Mortal Kombat seems… cheap. Like maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure there is a difficulty setting in MK which if that is the case that means the game decides to stop the player of their agency and accomplishment rather than let them learn the boss. Not to say you can’t do adaptive difficulty but as a general rule there’s a good reason it’s so rare, sometimes it’s just fine but I rarely see it.
The game taking into account the players actions and effecting the game though to counter that is fun IMO. Like how high casualty runs in Dishonored make the game noticable harder since difficulty only really effects health, enemy, numbers, and detection rate also it serves the narrative of the story well. Also Adam Smasher tayloring his gear to counter the player which can be subverted to catch him off guard rewarding the player for knowing the world. Or the aformentioned Dead Space narrative AI which apparently decided I’m gonna play Dead Space after the crew of the USG Ishimura had a ship wide Silent Hill themed party.
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
That seems like a lot more work than just trying a new hobby.