Comment on thoughts and prayers for science
Demdaru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh, when you look at miracles, they do heal a lot! Some of it is even scientifically proven IIRC. Human mind is a funny thing.
But in all cases, faith works on small scale, and quite often simply individual. So yeah…not even a start to science.
There’s no way to scientifically measure faith or miracles as you’re describing. Saying “miracles do heal a lot” is an absurdly meaningless statement.
On the other hand, there is some evidence that people don’t work as hard at their own recovery when they believe people are praying for them, so believing in mumbo jumbo can actually hurt you.
The placebo effect is scientific and real. It’s so well established that when they are testing medicines they test them against placebo and track the placebo healing rates, because the drug needs to statistically heal better than the placebo healed.
look, I’m not bothered by your faith as long as you (religious people) keep it to yourselfs. The issue is using this, which is YOUR belief, as excuse to deny science? as is happening around the world.
You know what, even though everyone is downvoting you, I sort of agree with you. Persons faith can help him get better, physically and mentally. Either through placebo or peace of mind. Thats the whole shtick with people not being afraid cause god got their back, or people turning their life around because of accepting faith into their life.
What’s unfortunate with religion is the tendency of other humans exploiting that faith to commit awful things.
Faith’s IMO definitely a double-edge sword and very subjective, which is it’s strength and weakness.
Yeeeep. Faith is a tool, especially if said faith is based on good intentions. It can be used for good (peace of mind, hospitality, feeding the poor, supporting communities), but even if faith itself was infallibly good, community aeound it simply will never be. And people who need to take shelter in faith often are more easily manipulated, sadly.
Fully agreed.
Please provide any example of a scientifically proven miracle. (Other than that one politician at the podium saying “If I’m wrong may Allah strike me down” and immediately dying of a heart attack)
Don’t breed.
_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
so you’re saying it’s not statistically significant then? makes sense, most farces aren’t
Demdaru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean, true. But at worst, faith worsk as a placebo, forcing our minds and bodies to fight harder for some unkown reason. At best, there were unexplainable cases. May as well assume it’s faith until proven otherwise.
In all cases, statistically insignificant xD
Johandea@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
No. At worst faith will be the reason a parent don’t bring their child to an actual doctor, which causes unnecessary suffering or death of an innocent child. Faith should be countered everywhere and every time.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Didn’t think about it at the time…welp, true.
JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Nobody should be expected to believe in faith. Religions claim that something is true so it is on them to prove it. But it cannot be proven thus their claim should not be given due consideration. So the assumption is that science is real and religion is not.
We may as well believe in science I guess.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What even is science if not a cult of cause and effect?