Comment on Gotta make sure your watching its back

MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• cheers_queers@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  yup. not sure why you got downvoted, she is an evil bitch

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• theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You mean the abused women? Johhny Depp was certainly the villain in that story,

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  • dillekant@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s interesting there’s a sharp line between what women and men believe here. Sadly, not knowing the details makes the propaganda more likely to work. Heard and her lawyer were stupid, but that doesn’t change what likely actually happened:

    • The dog shit the bed, because of course it did it had a problem with bowel control. The fact that Depp’s team have managed to convince people of this ridiculous idea shows just how effective propaganda can be.
    • Heard was raped and abused
    • You would have to believe that Heard lied to her own therapist for months to manufacture this. Occam’s razor, no, it happened.

    The reason people don’t like Heard is:

    • She seems shifty

    That’s it.

    Here’s a video talking about it. To anyone still on Depp’s side: Maybe don’t support abusers? Maybe don’t support their narratives if you think everyone’s a scumbag? Where are the Depp memes?

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    • Alkali@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I thought the reason people side with Depp is because there are recordings of Heard mocking him for reporting abuse and admitting to hitting him, that he initiated the split, and that she gave an op-ed that suggested he was the sole abuser.

      Typically there is a primary abuser and often a retaliatory abuser. What is in question is which is which. The concern is that people who side with Depp often do so because of their own beliefs in women being toxic. However, people who side with Heard do essentially the same. I don’t believe a clear picture of Depp being primarily abuser has been established, but would be interested if you had that information.

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      • dillekant@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I thought the reason people side with Depp is because there are recordings of Heard mocking him for reporting abuse and admitting to hitting him, that he initiated the split, and that she gave an op-ed that suggested he was the sole abuser.

        Basically all of this analysis relies on ignoring a bunch of evidence and reading into what Heard’s said. There is a shockingly long explanation of this point by point, something which is necessary only because of the time it takes to detangle “Heard sounds shifty”. Remove the suppositions, and it really just sounds like Heard is trying to save her relationship.

        Secondly, primary or retaliatory, there’s a clear imbalance of power. This is a big part of what “me too” was about. It seems as soon as you’re of legal age, all manner of coercive power become meaningless to the public. “Me too” was about “well, no, I wasn’t necessarily raped as such, but there was a clear power imbalance that pushed me into decisions I wasn’t comfortable with”. It also discussed the idea of “the perfect victim”, where women essentially get the blame in a two-sides issue. IIUC Heard was barely upper middle class, and Depp has an enormous pool of wealth. There’s a clear power imbalance here.

        Thirdly, and this goes back to the “I’m not on either side” part, the less you know the more susceptible you are to the organised campaign against Heard. That’s why people do these memes. That’s why I ended with: well if it’s both sides are bad, then why is Depp somehow beloved and forgiven and Heard is still mocked several years later?

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  • Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Alternatively, they’re both insane.

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  • Seppo@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Is this one of those “believe someone because of their gender regardless of the evidence” arguments? That kind of thinking is dangerous and sexist.

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    • janonymous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, it’s one of those “don’t believe the targeted harassment campaign” arguments

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      • zebidiah@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        No… It’s one of those fuck everybody involved kind of things…

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  • MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lol

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    • Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You’re fucked in the head if you think this is funny.

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      • MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Clutch pearls harder dweeb

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  • RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Honestly they seemed like they were both toxic and abusive and deserved each other.

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    • theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Or you know we can not pass around the myth of “mutual abuse” with no evidence just because Heard is kind of a shitty person in general and doesnt respond “correctly”.

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  • CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Help me understand… did the judgement reflect that? Was Depp imprisoned or fined for being “the villian”?

    Was Amber victorious after all those legal procedures and Depp found guilty of anything?

    Did Amber have to pay anything or was she vindicated as a victim and justly rewarded?

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    • proudblond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This assumes the legal system is infallible.

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      • CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Infallible isn’t in the table. You’re saying theres something fallible by a COMPLETE LACK OF DISAGREEMENT.

        No one agrees with you, that’s nothing to do with the “fallibility” of anything…

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    • theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You live in a different universe to me if your universe handles abuse cases in court correctly.

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Did you watch the trial? She is not well.

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  • AliOski@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I really hope your just sarcastic or trolling.

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  • Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The dress was blue and black.

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