Incest is almost never between two consenting adults. There is almost always an inappropriate power dynamic, coercion, and/or grooming.
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Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
On the one hand anything between consenting adults is good and valid.
On the other hand, incest is too ingrained of a taboo for me yet.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t think we have enough data to make that assumption.
cosmos8188@leminal.space 1 month ago
That is correct, and that is why we shouldn’t make any wild assumptions which dont hold up to the facts. This is essentially shooting blindly within the smoke - there are better ways than relying on assumptions or the “feel”.
luthis@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
I think we do.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
No, it’s pretty well studied.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Only abstract is available by that link.
group of adolescent sibling incest offenders (n=21) compared to a group of adolescent non-sibling offenders (n=24).
Do you call this well studied?
SethW@lemmy.world 1 month ago
But then the problem is the grooming not the incest so grooming should be the taboo
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Both can be Taboo, and should be.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
So in the cases where it is not, you’d allow incest?
darkmogool@feddit.org 1 month ago
…yet?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re working on it apparently
Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah. To not be upset about it seems logical and fair.
But I still feel uneasy.
cosmos8188@leminal.space 1 month ago
I agree, as long as consent is stated then no harm is done. Consent between people is important; but in these cases, they should know where they stand
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
In cases of close family sexual contact, consent is not a matter of a simple statement. There are lots of reasons why a person might make a statement of consent while they are in fact unwilling or unable to consent. This is always true, but particularly so in dealing with close family sexual contact.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
The increased chance of birth defects seems a bit immoral. Also there’s a good chance childhood trauma is at play for siblings to want to bang, or at the very least some questionable power dynamics, that are worth at least looking into. Supposing none of that is an issue I guess I’m not going to yuck someone else’s yum even if I feel weird about the whole thing 🤷♀️
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Obviously it’s against the law because folks that are prone to inbreeding are not necessarily equipped to make those assessments. The same as anything.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, but it seems a bit eugenical.
Bgugi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You know what? I think letting racists ruin eugenics gives them one extra “fuck you” to the human race.
If I use a revolver to play Russian roulette with a baby, they’d bury me under the prison. Why is it fine for parents with documented genetic conditions to do the same?
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 1 month ago
Eugenics isn’t inherently bad. If you prefer dating humans without genetic defects, congratulations; you’re a eugenicist.
Do you prefer blondes or brown hair? You’re preferring genes again! Don’t like people with potato bodies? There you go preferring genes…
Find out your fetus has a genetic defect and won’t live past five even if you birth them, so you abort? Cheer on genetic therapies that could solve such issues? Congratulations, you’ve practiced eugenics!!
Eugenics itself is not bad. It’s the racist fuck desire to want to “cleanse” the “race” of humanity that’s bad.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It sort of also assumed that just because relatives are fucking that they’ll even have a kid.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
one could ask the question whether inbreeding is fine as long as it’s exclusively non-productive sex, i.e. they don’t make any children. some people have sex just for enjoyment.
cosmos8188@leminal.space 1 month ago
I’m quite the same honestly, but like you said - there isn’t a need to be a dick about it, already a surplus of them around.
In terms of birth defects, that may be right. But it really depends on the generation of in-breading. A single generation wouldnt do much harm but has the potential to if it continues. Of course, about the trauma and power dynamic bits, that may be a hit or miss as it doesn’t really hold.