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Voltarion@piefed.social āØ9ā© āØhoursā© ago
I am kinda on the fence with that. On one hand, I am wary of control it may give. On the other, we have children watching hardcore p##n and bots and troll farms spreading disinformation.
I would counter:
Then why are these things okay for adults?
There is nothing normal about mass consumption of troll farms and bots. The user facing internet is broken and unhealthy, and itās absolutely mad we pretend like it isnāt. Banning it from children is not even a band-aid.
ā¦Iām going to set porn aside.
Middle schoolers passing around deepfakes nudes
I have no data to confirm this but Iād wager itās disproportionately kids using that kind of stuff. I think the vast majority of adults who want to look at some titties or whatever are perfectly happy cranking it to one of the millions of freely available pictures and videos out there.
Hell, last month I had to factory reset some kidās phone because they downloaded some āundressing appā that obviously turned out to be malware. Iāve helped adults and seniors with their tech before and they do dumb shit too but Iāve never seen one do that
You know, Iād argue itās hard to stop kids from doing that privately. If they want to use some local model to undress Jessica from history class, for only their eyeballsā¦ well, that genie is out of the bottle unless we take everyoneās computers away.
Now, where it crosses another line is spreading those nudes.
Or even worse, selling them.
No one should be allowed to make money off that. Not the financial processors that facilitate it if they ābuyā an undressing service, not the social media platforms that advertise it to them; they should all be crushed to dust with liability. And kids should get in deep trouble if they pass it around, just like they would if they ripped Jessicaās clothes off in broad daylight.
None of āfor the childrenā initiatives do anything good for them, prevents anything or saves any of them. Also, in most cases politicians who actually rape kids are always exempt.
As a rule of thumb, never trust any āfor the childrenā, āfor securityā or āagainst terrorismā. It never is about those things, and even if some of the people involved think it is, it gives the ill intended people great weapons against free speech, privacy, healthy democracyā¦ These slogans are always to target peopleās irrationality and stop them from actually having logical thinking about the implications. They used them in the past and continue to do so because they work.
The people spreading misinformation will continue to do so because they sooner or later end up in power, and none of these laws will control the government, only the people. Which in itself should trigger you to not trust it.
Kids will absolutely find a way around that. Pornhub and similar sites are nowhere close to real hardcore stuff which I will bet all my money on will not implement age verification. Kids will just shift to less mainstream websites with little or no moderation like allowing zoophilia. Even if they somehow censured it almost all like CP how long do you think it will take them to download Tor or a free VPN harvesting their data? There will definitely be that one kid in 6th grade who will spread the word. Even we as kids browsed darknet that was only out of curiosity. Install spyware on your kidās hardware if you want them to have hard time bypassing it until of a proper age either by buying their own hardware or being smarter than their parents.
As for disinformation. My discord accounts are getting banned left and right for bot-like activity even though I only use them to separate identities and are 100% human traffic but without a no longer valid email. Idk how scammers bypass it but they probably steal user accounts.
TLDR; It solves nothing but empowers bigger threats even without government overreach.
If it was about the children, they would have done something with the Epstein files.
Idk, I watched hardcore porn as a teenager and I turned out fine. Didnāt everyone? Masturbating to magazines or PG13 movies somehow seems more perverted than porn.
I think he means children in this case. Like a teenager is literally more than fine looking at the stuff as long as its not some fucked up shit (but that applies to everyone really).
The thing op misses, is the usecase of parental controls. Children should absolutely be guided around the internet, until they grow up to being teenagers.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world āØ8ā© āØhoursā© ago
Where are the parents those children belong to? Why do we need to parent for them?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca āØ8ā© āØhoursā© ago
Every child throughout history got up to secret exploring when they were out of their parents control. This happens to good parents and bad parents alike. Itās natural for children to explore the world and be curious about itās dark corners. While we need parental supervision, we also need societal control. It takes a village to raise a child.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world āØ7ā© āØhoursā© ago
Donāt care. Not my kids and I didnāt volunteer to help raise them. Parenting is hard. Really sucks for them. Glad I didnāt choose that. I have zero fucking sympathy. Why should my privacy be violated because people donāt want to parent?
āSocietal controlā is probably this most dystopian thing Iāve read today.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca āØ7ā© āØhoursā© ago
Are āStop Signsā dystopic? Donāt answer. It seems youāve got your mind made up, and thatās cool.