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Voltarion@piefed.social 1 month ago
I am kinda on the fence with that. On one hand, I am wary of control it may give. On the other, we have children watching hardcore p##n and bots and troll farms spreading disinformation.
I would counter:
Then why are these things okay for adults?
There is nothing normal about mass consumption of troll farms and bots. The user facing internet is broken and unhealthy, and it’s absolutely mad we pretend like it isn’t. Banning it from children is not even a band-aid.
…I’m going to set porn aside.
Middle schoolers passing around deepfakes nudes
I have no data to confirm this but I’d wager it’s disproportionately kids using that kind of stuff. I think the vast majority of adults who want to look at some titties or whatever are perfectly happy cranking it to one of the millions of freely available pictures and videos out there.
Hell, last month I had to factory reset some kid’s phone because they downloaded some “undressing app” that obviously turned out to be malware. I’ve helped adults and seniors with their tech before and they do dumb shit too but I’ve never seen one do that
You know, I’d argue it’s hard to stop kids from doing that privately. If they want to use some local model to undress Jessica from history class, for only their eyeballs… well, that genie is out of the bottle unless we take everyone’s computers away.
Now, where it crosses another line is spreading those nudes.
Or even worse, selling them.
No one should be allowed to make money off that. Not the financial processors that facilitate it if they “buy” an undressing service, not the social media platforms that advertise it to them; they should all be crushed to dust with liability. And kids should get in deep trouble if they pass it around, just like they would if they ripped Jessica’s clothes off in broad daylight.
None of “for the children” initiatives do anything good for them, prevents anything or saves any of them. Also, in most cases politicians who actually rape kids are always exempt.
As a rule of thumb, never trust any “for the children”, “for security” or “against terrorism”. It never is about those things, and even if some of the people involved think it is, it gives the ill intended people great weapons against free speech, privacy, healthy democracy… These slogans are always to target people’s irrationality and stop them from actually having logical thinking about the implications. They used them in the past and continue to do so because they work.
The people spreading misinformation will continue to do so because they sooner or later end up in power, and none of these laws will control the government, only the people. Which in itself should trigger you to not trust it.
Kids will absolutely find a way around that. Pornhub and similar sites are nowhere close to real hardcore stuff which I will bet all my money on will not implement age verification. Kids will just shift to less mainstream websites with little or no moderation like allowing zoophilia. Even if they somehow censured it almost all like CP how long do you think it will take them to download Tor or a free VPN harvesting their data? There will definitely be that one kid in 6th grade who will spread the word. Even we as kids browsed darknet that was only out of curiosity. Install spyware on your kid’s hardware if you want them to have hard time bypassing it until of a proper age either by buying their own hardware or being smarter than their parents.
As for disinformation. My discord accounts are getting banned left and right for bot-like activity even though I only use them to separate identities and are 100% human traffic but without a no longer valid email. Idk how scammers bypass it but they probably steal user accounts.
TLDR; It solves nothing but empowers bigger threats even without government overreach.
If it was about the children, they would have done something with the Epstein files.
Idk, I watched hardcore porn as a teenager and I turned out fine. Didn’t everyone? Masturbating to magazines or PG13 movies somehow seems more perverted than porn.
I think he means children in this case. Like a teenager is literally more than fine looking at the stuff as long as its not some fucked up shit (but that applies to everyone really).
The thing op misses, is the usecase of parental controls. Children should absolutely be guided around the internet, until they grow up to being teenagers.
People who advoc_e beating children also claim that they were beaten and turned out okay. Meanhwile cases of 8 year olds addicted to porn have been already reported.
The difference is that masturbation is a completely normal thing that even animals do, let alone people… And one way or another, people seek to enhance that experience.
And as a former teenager, trust me, it is better that I did it regularly. You do NOT know how horny a teenage boy can get if you’re even considering banning or age gating porn a good idea. Testosterone is a helluva drug.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Where are the parents those children belong to? Why do we need to parent for them?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Every child throughout history got up to secret exploring when they were out of their parents control. This happens to good parents and bad parents alike. It’s natural for children to explore the world and be curious about it’s dark corners. While we need parental supervision, we also need societal control. It takes a village to raise a child.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Don’t care. Not my kids and I didn’t volunteer to help raise them. Parenting is hard. Really sucks for them. Glad I didn’t choose that. I have zero fucking sympathy. Why should my privacy be violated because people don’t want to parent?
“Societal control” is probably this most dystopian thing I’ve read today.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Are “Stop Signs” dystopic? Don’t answer. It seems you’ve got your mind made up, and that’s cool.
Voltarion@piefed.social 1 month ago
Children don’t belong to parents. And bringing up children has always been a social act. Would you be as ermissive, if those children were abused or neglected?
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Children are a parents responsibility