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GMOs aren’t dangerous because of the genetic manipulation. They’re dangerous because of everything around it. Now it’s possible to create vegetables that survive a centimetre of glyphosate coating. And if the farmers reuse seeds, they’re breaching copyright law. With this, plants are copyrightable, would you like all of the cancer of contemporary American IP law applied to your food?

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IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
this is actually such a big problem in tissue culture

no one should be able to copyright LIVING BEINGS

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- shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  ironically copyright laws as they are today are cancer, maybe they should copyright copyright so that it all just eats itself and dies
  
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- HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  in tissue culture this is considered a DICK MOVE
  
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- SorryQuick@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  But then if you can’t copyright it companies wouldn’t invest money in it since it wouldn’t be profitable. That’s kinda the whole point of copyright, so that there’s an incentive for innovation. Why invest in R&D when you can just let your competitor do it and immediately steal it from then?
  
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  - Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Copyright suffocate to death innovation by preventing people to use that technology and build on it, it’s just a dick move to make money. People can innovate without shitright too
    
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  - AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Copyright doesn’t create incentives for innovation it creates incentives for stagnation. It’s a guaranteed profit window for a static solution. Competition is what breeds innovation as you need to have the best product for its cost to capture market share. As copyright is inherently an anti-competitive practice only there to minimize risk it reduces innovation in favor of stable profits. Just because r&d costs money it doesnt mean that supply chains and production are handed to competitors for free. Its just a tool to minimize risk for venture capital because those who lobbied for it wanted to protect their assets from risk exposure and did so at the expense of consumers and innovation through lobbying. Removing it wouldnt stop people from creating solutions or trying to invent new products. Those who do the r & d always have a leg up as they have the research available to them for tweaking there process or final output that a competitor would not.
    
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  - IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    “steal it” you cannot steal knowledge
    
    copyrighting living beings is bad
    
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    SorryQuick@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    You’re not stealing knowledge, you’re stealing someone else’s time, effort and money. There’s a reason there’s IP laws everywhere.
    
    What then do you suggest as the alternative? Or is your suggestion just to stop innovation?
    
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  - IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    why would anyone buy from someone who just copied it instead of made it?
    
    and money has ruined innovation
    
    are you suggesting that we would just stop innovationn without copyright?
    
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sangeteria@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
But then the problem is not the GMO it’s the copyright laws

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BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
The Epa was the only way we got them to stop with DDT.

They keep ratcheting the poison further and further up to keep weeds out. They basically carpet bombed the South with ddt to kill off something and that killed off the birds and fishes and sucked up anyone that ate it for twenty years.

Which was a lot of the South, but now hunting is a rich mans privilege down here. Wheras only rich folk ate cattle with any frequency, now it’s pretty common food.

I’ve often thought that Monsanto was the only thing wrong with GMOs.

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- Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Monsanto
  
  their buissness model with certainty.
  
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Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Exactly right. Well said.

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Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The problems then aren’t GMOs but it’s the fact that someome can patent and copyright it, destroy the patent and copyright system not the GMOs

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gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
does anyone know how long the copyrights on seeds holds? i.e. i think for many pharmaceuticals it’s 20 years. does this apply here too?

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Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Yes

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