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Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Should be whole food and not organic. You can process organic food how much you want. You can buy organic ultra-processed pure white beet sugar if you want. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy or chemically different than regular white sugar. Organic only applies to how it’s grown, not what happens to it after leaving the field.
Spooge@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Jesus Christ, man. It’s a joke.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not true? In that some food is in fact not made of organic molecules?
For example:
Table Salt (NaCl)
Water (H2O)
No carbon, still food.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Neither is food, food is metabolizable into energy. Yes salt and water are needed to facilitate this process, but without organic matter, there is no process.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Nope not true
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Also “organic” is intentionallly misleading language that should be abandoned, if it’s not organic, it’s not food.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
What it means as a food label is (theoretically, at least), “not made with inorganic ingredients” i.e. certain kinds of pesticides/fertilizers or additives
Jaycifer@piefed.social 2 days ago
This is blatant misinformation. Most food labels like “free range” mean whatever the labeler wants it to mean, as long as there is some definition available on the label (or a very small printed link to a website with the definition). The organic label, as far as I can tell, is the only one with a precise definition and requirements outlined by the USDA.
For crops this means a lack of certain pesticides/chemicals used, regenerative techniques for the fields, and no GMOs. For animals it requires certain living conditions and a diet of nearly entirely organic food.
Source: I wanted to understand what food labels and “organic” food means a year or two ago and spent a few hours reading the laws provided by the USDA. Turns out they also have a basic outline of the requirements: https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/organic-101-what-usda-organic-label-means
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
How does that in any way contradict what I said?
You know what most of those pesticides and other disqualifying things are? Inorganic.
Of course there’s more complexity to it than that, but in a nutshell that’s why it’s called “organic” and not “gleebleglanic”
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Which part was misinformation? That inorganic things aren’t food? Good luck arguing that point lol. Everything else I said was an opinion so idk where you’re coming from there. I’m aware that a person or a committee or something somewhere was paid to redefine a word that already had a static, objective meaning for no reason other than to make more money, that doesn’t stop it from being misleading and unnecessarily ambiguous. Why that word? Sure you’ve done your homework about this so you might consider yourself “immune” to the false advertising, but the majority of Americans have no clue and believe everything they see, as far as they can understand it. Most people like you who would be curious enough to do that research probably already know what organic and inorganic actually mean so they weren’t really going to get duped anyway, but they make up a tiny portion of the population.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m well aware of the “theories”, what it actually functionally means is they can charge more while falsely implying food without that label is necessarily unhealthy and may, in fact, not even be food at all.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
If someone is uneducated about what food labels mean and which ones have a regulatory definition and which ones don’t, then sure they might be duped into overpaying for shit that doesn’t deliver on its promises. But organic is one of the few terms that are actually defined by regulation and have specific requirements to meet to use the label, so it’s kind of weird that you would choose this one to pick a bone with.
Jaycifer@piefed.social 2 days ago
This is blatant misinformation. Most food labels like “free range” mean whatever the labeler wants it to mean, as long as there is some definition available on the label (or a very small printed link to a website with the definition). The organic label, as far as I can tell, is the only one with a precise definition and requirements outlined by the USDA.
For crops this means a lack of certain pesticides/chemicals used, regenerative techniques for the fields, and no GMOs. For animals it requires certain living conditions and a diet of nearly entirely organic food.
Source: I wanted to understand what food labels and “organic” food means a year or two ago and spent a few hours reading the laws provided by the USDA. Turns out they also have a basic outline of the requirements: https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/organic-101-what-usda-organic-label-means