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Which part was misinformation? That inorganic things aren’t food? Good luck arguing that point lol. Everything else I said was an opinion so idk where you’re coming from there. I’m aware that a person or a committee or something somewhere was paid to redefine a word that already had a static, objective meaning for no reason other than to make more money, that doesn’t stop it from being misleading and unnecessarily ambiguous. Why that word? Sure you’ve done your homework about this so you might consider yourself “immune” to the false advertising, but the majority of Americans have no clue and believe everything they see, as far as they can understand it. Most people like you who would be curious enough to do that research probably already know what organic and inorganic actually mean so they weren’t really going to get duped anyway, but they make up a tiny portion of the population.

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Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Which part was misinformation? That inorganic things aren’t food?

Sodium Chloride is not “organic” but there is not a single kind of life on the planet earth that can survive without it.

So according to your (il)logic, NOTHING can be organic, your definition, not mine.

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- PapaStevesy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Try eating nothing but salt, see how that works out for ya. “Food” is metabolizable, salt isn’t. Salt’s as necessary as water, yes, but also like water, it’s not enough on its own.
  
  I never gave “my” definition of organic and logic really has nothing to do with it, it has an objective scientific definition already. With all due respect, if you’re out there buying organic salt, you’re exactly the kind of under-informed, over-paying consumer I’m trying to look out for.
  
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Jaycifer@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The misinformation is the part where you’re pushing a false narrative that using the term organic in any way other than being organism-derived (or however you prefer to define it) is inherently misleading and wrong. Unless you want to argue that a word can’t have two meanings, in which case good luck arguing that point. Unlike the word “literally” it’s pretty easy for a layperson to tell which definition is being used based on context. “There is organic material in this sample” is clearly referring to the only definition you’ll accept. Saying “this tomato I bought is organic” is pretty easy to understand that the tomato in question is more similar to a naturally occurring tomato than one that has undergone alterations, even if the person saying that doesn’t know the specifics. Why not that word? If the term the USDA used was “natural” you’d be telling me right now that if it wasn’t natural it wouldn’t be food.

I do think the term “organic” should be split into at least four different terms to cover all the major qualifications (GMO-free, synthetic pesticide free, sustainable, free range for animals but actually defined) to be called organic, but that’s different than saying that it’s inherently misleading as a term or that it would be misleading on purpose. What purpose? To make more money? It’s more expensive to grow produce that meets the requirements to be called organic. If there was legitimately no difference between organic-labeled and non-organic-labeled food you might have a point, but there is.

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- PapaStevesy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  It’s easier to squeeze out smaller competition that can’t afford to meet the requirements but aren’t necessarily cutting corners or providing unhealthy or even less healthy products, netting more money for the companies that can jump through the hoops. And like you say, it’s more expensive to get that organic label, that means someone is making more money. Now I assume I don’t need to explain conflicts of interest or political lobbying to you, but that’s because you’re seem much more informed and aware than the average American consumer.
  
  I wish I had as much faith in American regulatory institutions as you, I guess experience has left me too jaded.
  
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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  They’re using it in its chemistry meaning. In chemistry organic means a category of carbon based chemicals and reactions. Ironically that includes petrochemistry. This is a popular gotcha for a certain type of nerd.
  
  But yes, organic farming is a different meaning of the word, and it derives from a movement to treat the farm as an organism.
  
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