Comment on average physics student vs POTUS 47

• pmk@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Whenever I think about magnets I remember this Feynman interview where someone asks him why magnets behave the way they do, and he says that to answer a “why"-question you need a foundation where something is agreed to be true, and it seems like for electromagnetic forces we end up in " because that’s how the universe is apparently”.

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  • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sure, but between nothing and the axioms of the standard model we end up with a fairly comprehensive description which can predict how different kinds of magnets behave in a wide variety of situations.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s knowing how to use it, not how it works.

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      • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, the theory of electromagnetism and by extension physics in general is knowing how it works. How to use it is engineering, a different set of knowledge which we also have some of.

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Feynman was a bit pedantic sometimes.

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    • oce@jlai.lu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This seems to be easily said of anyone trying to popularize science philosophy.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That is sort of how the universe operates though. You can have a greater and greater understanding of the underlying principles of physics but eventually you do get to “that just how it is”. Why is there no such thing as a negative photon, apparently we just can’t have a negative excitation in the photon field, no one knows why.

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      • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean one of the points he’s making there comes up in every good science class: science doesn’t answer ‘why’ it answers ‘how’. The goal of science is to describe what we see in the world; science less about explaining things. Its easy to do without being a pedant. He’s absolutely being pedantic on camera in that clip.

        Like if you look at how people treat science now: MAGA completely pissing on it because its funded by snake oil people. Rich guys like Elon Musk cynically using it as a way to bilk the public and government. The press just has different goals than the scientific community and I would say that clip showed some of that friction manifest.

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    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d expect nothing less from a scientist. Decrying pedantry from a scientist would be like decrying financial accuracy from an accountant.

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      • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        When its warranted yes, the pedantry is a plus.

        The gift of a talented pop scientist is to know when to turn on and off the pedantry.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah,. Each time we think we’ve got it, there’s another hole to dig deeper.

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  • VinegarChunks@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    With a lot of things:

    You start off with no knowledge, and it’s a big mystery.

    You gain some knowledge and feel like you have understanding.

    You gain a lot more knowledge and you learn how much more there is that isn’t known.

    The President is either at stage 1 or stage 3, take your pick.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No he’s at stage 0. He has no knowledge but he doesn’t investigate he just makes things up and then says that.

      We’re talking about the person who thought that stealth planes were physically invisible.

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    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you forgot about the parallel imaginary number line (√-1), i think that is where the president lives.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You meant stage 2? “some knowledge and feel like you have understanding.”

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    • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wish he was at stage 4…

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      • ddplf@szmer.info ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I can’t wait until he’s crossed the final stage

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