Comment on Differences of Opinion by Wendy Cope
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 1 week agoYeah did that with my dad. As soon as he expressed that he doesn’t believe in conventional scientific methodology and academic consensus, I stopped discussing any of those topics with him.
No basis to discuss if he doesn’t even consider evidence for disproving his theories.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
How could you not believe in the scientific method? Propose a hypothesis, test for hypothesis, confirm or review your hypothesis, repeat.
Saying you don’t believe in that basically is the same as stating you’re dumb as hell and don’t believe in proving ideas.
kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
I’ve been in that situation countless times, I can tell you people want to believe the scientific method works but there’s always a reason they don’t. Here’s a few reasons I’ve encountered:
Eroding trust in institutions: they don’t trust the organisations or the people doing the studies. IMO news cycles play a big role in this; a study with a catchy result “A glass of wine a day is actually good for you” - by itself already a misrepresentation of the results - gets all the headlines. The countless of studies that prove no amount is good for you doesn’t get any.
They believe science is a book of solid answers, while it’s merely a methodology to find better answers. People have a hard time accepting this.
Post-information age: every bit of human knowledge at our fingertips is a true monkey’s paw. A real overload of information has people exhausted, they rather listen to someone like them than have big words thrown at them by scientists.
Misrepresentation of data: I cannot stress enough how easy it is to misrepresent data. Without proper context any piece of data can be framed to fit a narrative. Studying statistics was so counter intuitive, you’ll never be able to convince people going on instinct.
Honing in on where people get stuck can help you get through to them. I know this will sound corny, but if you talk to people from person to person, not being judgemental, and really try to listen, there’s always room for change.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
It feels like stat shouldn’t be a senior level elective in HS but should be a freshman/sophomore level requirement, with a heavy focus on how statistics are wildly abused in what amounts to propaganda.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
I feel like a lot of topics could be covered in a 1 semester course that explained the scientific method, why it’s important, difference between a theory and idea, statistics, misrepresentation of data, narrative tuning in media and reporting, proven study and information retention methods. Just like a ‘this class is going to teach you to study, research, retain, and grow with the knowledge you learn throughout life better’ course. Right now a these foundational things kind of exist in some capacity but it’s easy to blow over it and just get a grade without realizing what’s actually going on while your teachers are attempting to teach. I don’t know, it’s probably dumb but I think a lot of people don’t have the tools to accept and grow with a knowledge base that is constantly evolving and maturing. So instead of maturing and growing they dig into their preconceived and learned emotional safe space deeper and deeper until they die.
kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Amen, I’m in the EU and only saw real statistics in college. Tbf propaganda in itself needs to be understood and thought better in general
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Exactly. You don’t want proof, because proof means you might have been wrong. Being wrong is mentally uncomfortable, and especially in older people who are very mentally rigid, that’s hard.