You do know that other places in the world have disabled people and children who go to school, right?
They seem to still be alive.
Imagine no cars when you got a physical disability, and two kids who need to be taken to school in winter, I’ll just toss em on my back and fly.
And yes perfect transit and funding would fix this. When that happens I’ll show you a pig flying
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 6 days ago
glockenspiel@lemmy.world 5 days ago
They also tend to have less sprawl, more homogenous and high trust societies (relative to where most people live in the US), and a shaky history of true legally enforced disability considerations. On that latter part, there still isn’t a good equivalent to the ADA in European peer countries. Europeans will hand wave it away, but it’s too patchwork and exclusionary.
All things considered, I’d rather be disabled in the US than in Europe or most Asian countries because the US actually have strong legal protections both federally and at the state levels. Lack of extensive public transport outside of a couple major hubs is obviously a problem for most people (especially the disabled). But no other country comes close to enshrining protections like the US did with the ADA (and how some states extended it even more themselves).
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 days ago
But no other country comes close to enshrining protections like the US did with the ADA (and how some states extended it even more themselves).
we’re kidding ourselves if we pretend it’s anything more than a de jure situation.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Yeah they have CARS.
JayDee@lemmy.world 6 days ago
In pedestrian-friendly cities, children usually just walk. They’re called 15 minute cities because because you can get anywhere you need, including schools, in 15 minutes.
Also, because there’s fewer roads to maintain, and the majority of people walk, the streets actually get plowed and handicapped folks often have an easier time getting around than in car-centric cities.
BlindPenguin@lemmy.world 6 days ago
They’re called 15 minute cities
Or just the average European city or small town
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 days ago
my 15 minute car city is a 25 minute ebike city and it’s pretty great
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 days ago
Cars continue to work even if fewer people need to drive to get where they need.
onnekas@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
Having large sidewalks, bikelanes and good public transport does not mean that you are not allowed to bring your kids to school in your car.
However, it means that your kids could walk to school or use the bike/bus in an environment that is safer and less polluted.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Man, I’m crippled. You’ve entirely missed the point.
The concept here is the entire way a city or community is laid out and designed.
You wanna see a solution to your problem?
Look at any city that currently exists that has at least half decent public transit.
There are tons of these, by the way, places that have figured out how to do this.
You’re mad that you live in a poorly designed and poorly funded exurb area.
Howabout this?
Sell your inconviently located home, at the current market rate, and move to somewhere that doesn’t have these problems.
What, is too much of your net worth tied up in your home?
Wow! How did that happen?
I wonder why your community is built in such a way that that could happen… maybe decades and decades of giving handouts to homeowners and driving up their prices and requiring everything else in reality bend over backwards to subsidize them… has maybe just completely proven to be fundamentally economically unviable, with infrastructure needing to be spread too far and thin, constantly being subsidized by the urban core areas that generate the vast majority of tax revenue?
Ifera@lemmy.world 5 days ago
All that text and not an ounce of empathy, this place really is turning into Reddit 2.0. But no true Scotsman, Right?
“Look at any city that currently exists that has at least half decent public transit, or town where its reasonably safe to walk to common places you’d need to go.”. I live in one of those, and it is still prohibitive as fuck, so you will probably just say something like “Well, not there, I meant somewhere like Japan”, and buddy, been there too.
You’re like the people who sees someone with depression and just tells them “Just go to therapy, they’ll fix you”.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Correct, I’ve no sympathy for someone in the same unfortunate class of predicament as myself who weaponizes that class as a means to justify continuing to make the same societal mistakes that are exacerbating the current extent of their suffering and also condemning to that extent of suffering all other people who may one day find themselves a member of that class.
If you think its mere lack of empathy, you’re mistaken.
Dismissing public transit as a solution, as a paradigm for urban planning, because you are disabled… its the same as a farmer voting MAGA, its shooting yourself in the balls out of misplaced grievance.
A city designed with walkability and public transit in mind is going to be easier for disabled cripples like myself to get around in, as it also will be for everyone who doesn’t have a car.
More transit options = less and safer road traffic = better service for paratransit vehicles, safer driving for those disabled but capable of driving a car.
More walkability means those who need a cane, crutches, leg braces, prosthetic limbs, a wheel chair, power scooter, the blind with a walking/sensing stick… they’re gonna have an easier time getting around than if sidewalks barely exist and its a half mile between two intersections, with no benches or shade.
You don’t seem to know what a No True Scotsman fallacy is, so I’d also argue that you’re the one being more ‘reddit’ here, throwing around accusations you don’t even understand.
They said they live in an area that doesn’t get school bus service when it snows. Pretty reasonable inference that that means they live in a remote area.
The entire topic of the thread is ‘urban design’…The entire point I am making is that living out in the middle of nowhere, in a spread out, low density design schema or paradigm… that is the problem that makes public transit unfeasible.
And yeah, being crippled is always going to reduce your mobility. Having walkable, more dense cities/towns that have good public transit will somewhat, but never wholly alleviate this. Neither will any amount of mandated extra lanes and parking stalls wholly alleviate you or me or anyone else being crippled.
Walkable City + Working Public Transit != suddenly all private cars and all roads stop existing.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 6 days ago
Get a grip
verdigris@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Good point, SUVs for everyone is the only truly enlightened path.
ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 6 days ago
The true road to enlightenment starts when you realize that SUVs just aren’t fit to haul your kids and your groceries, and that the only logical path forward is to buy a massive lifted truck that puts a Sherman tank to shame to drive your statistical 37 miles per day in some modicum of safety.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Creating an exaggerated argument to argue against, one that no one made, does not nothing but display your emotional immaturity.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 6 days ago
How so? The person they replied to is also mocking in bad faith.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 days ago
“i have a disability and your idea doesn’t work for me or people like me”
“shut up that is bad faith go back to being a doormat and never mention disability again”
now why do i see this conversation spring up everywhere people on the internet are discussing getting rid of cars