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• go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Then move to China

  If I spoke mandarin fluently and had a solid support network of friends and family i would. 🤷‍♂️

  Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.

  Show me all this accountability here in the United States. A known pedophile is in office and the previous guy in office spent four years in office giving a huge number of his voters the finger.

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The west also heavily censors domestic media, the internet, academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent and protests, etc. The critical difference is that the west does this to protect capitalists against the working classes, while China does this to suppress capitalists and protect the socialist system. The class that controls the state uses it to oppress the others.

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      • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Can you openly criticize the Chinese party in control? Can you protest without violent retribution?

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    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re responding to my comment where I said.

      Show me all this accountability here in the United States.

      You didn’t show me where all this accountability is. Was that an oversight on your part or are you acknowledging there isn’t any?

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      • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Can you openly criticize the Chinese party in control? Can you protest without violent retribution?

        You can do these things in the usa. Accountability.

        China won’t let the full intent through. The US does. Accountability.

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    • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And yet they have fewer people in prison than the US with four times the population. All these horrible things about china and yet they incarcerate people at a quarter of the rate that the US does.

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      • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No one said the US is doing anything perfectly. What about the incarceration rate in the Netherlands? Individual freedom is difficult and comes at a cost. Chinese citizend simply do not have all the freedoms others in the west have. They are not allowed to demand it wether they want it or not.

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      • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Also a fascist police state

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  • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If it was a total dictatorship, he’d be there forever. Accountability is the elections. You have hope.

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    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Accountability is the elections.

      Then what are prisons for?

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      • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Tell you what, I’ll wait here until you find a question you actually can’t answer yourself.

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A rotating cast of “elected” spokesmen for the ruling billionaires doesn’t result in accountability for anyone

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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  From the recent Perceptions of Democracy survey:

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  • jwt@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    cool… cool…

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This data is public, and was gathered by western organizations.

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      • jwt@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks for the link, my point was that posting random pictures without context/methodology/sources is not very helpful.

        So the questionnaire asks people how positive/negative they perceive the categories in their own country, I’m not really sure that methodology works very well for oppressive countries.

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      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No idea what they’re trying to say, but… PDS is an opinion poll. The way you present it implies that it speaks in any way to the actual systems of government of the country in question, when that’s just straight not what it’s about:

        […] At the same time, more respondents said their country was moving in the wrong direction. The report finds that pessimism is especially pronounced in democracies. France, Germany, Lebanon, Puerto Rico and Nigeria were among the countries where responses on national direction were most negative. China recorded the most positive responses, followed by El Salvador, Kuwait, Algeria and Belarus.

        What your image actually shows is that Chinese citizens are the most satisfied with their government, which is for sure something, but is decidedly not the same thing as

        China is one of the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list, with some of the fewest glaring weaknesses.

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    • hitwright@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Russia… Democratic… LMFAO xDDD

      Thanks for sharing!

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This was an edited picture, the one I posted has Russia near the bottom.

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• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m in China right now, its weird how the government does more for the people than most western democracies if they’re totally unaccountable. Is it possible you don’t have any idea wtf you’re talking about?

  Here’s a place where you can go 250 miles in an hour and a half for 30 bucks. No idea who this is for if not the people.

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  • betanumerus@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d like to answer but you used your free speech to disqualified yourself.

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wtf are you talking about?

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wtf are you talking about?

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  • teft@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s for the party bosses. People on time means more economic production which means more global political clout.

    Let’s see the rural infrastructure and collapsing tofu dreg bridges. Bet they don’t look as good.

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s for the party bosses. People on time means more economic production

      HSR is for long distances, nobody is commuting 250 miles when you can live in the city becayse rent is <300/mo. But you are correct in that party bosses interests are selfish; they’re graded by economic development, human health, veggie prices, etc, and at the end of each 5 year term can get promoted to a bigger area, demoted from being able to run anything, or literally thrown in prison depending on their performance.

      Let’s see the rural infrastructure and collapsing tofu dreg bridges

      The buildings in less economic areas aren’t as nice, but that’s true literally everywhere. As for collapsed bridges and other infrastructure, I’ve literally never seen that.

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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• zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You actually think there’s no accountability in China? My guy, they hold their politicians to a much higher bar then we do.

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• T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Xi is a de facto dictator. Sham elections and all

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  • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Xi is not directly elected

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Xi is not elected*

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      • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        He definitely is elected, just not directly. The Chinese President is elected by The National People’s Congress. The Presidium, which is the body that presides over the NPC when the full body Is not in session, elects one or more candidates, and then the whole NPC deliberates and votes

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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