I’m too monotheistic
Cringest shit I’ve read lately
Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s because what you meant is accurately understood as a false dichotomy coming from decades of Western propaganda and completely useless to whatever discussion you were having. Remember: tankie is the new commie, and you’re (most likely) just the new generation of imperialist Westerners because the show has to go on, they just changed the words a little while keeping the same narrative dynamics.
And I’m too monotheistic and grounded in reality regarding current idpol Western nonsense for .ml, they downvote and ban me often so it’s not like I’m part of the in-group, I’m just a bit more aware than you, ig.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah, because Lemmy in general and .ml like/have a good opinion of religious folk…
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not many people have a high opinion of religious people, and for good reason. But being cringy does not mean “you are wrong”, it means that people cringe when they have an experience you gave them. Whining about “religious persecution” is pretty pathetic and unnecessary. I have noticed you several times on this platform bringing up religion when it is completely irrelevant, exactly as you did here. Also, sidenote, given that almost no one who speaks english anyhow is worshipping many deities, it’s weird you always have to specify “monotheism” as if that’s a needed or relevant thing to specify. That’s like me claiming someone is anti-human because they are racist against me. It’s just a weird thing to focus on.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I know they have their reasons, especially if they’re American because most big Trinitarian denominations would give Jesus an aneurysm, but that’s not me nor most people in the world who claim to be religious. And it is necessary, because Trinitarians think Jesus, a man, is also the Creator, and there’s also the Holy Spirit somewhere and that makes up their pantheon. And I just mentioned it because it’s true, because just by saying things like “oh thank God” people start getting uppity at times, nvm pointing things out while quoting the Qur’an or the Bible. It’s like you’ve forgotten where we are. You can tell me “just take the negativity and unnecessary hostility, it is what it is”, you can’t tell me it isn’t a thing…
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Who are “they” that changed the words? Because “tankie” didn’t come from a Western Imperialist state, and it is not remotely the “new commie”. I’m proud to call myself a communist, but I would never call myself a tankie, because I don’t believe in authoritarianism, no matter who is in charge.
You seem like a good person with their priorities straight, I don’t believe you deserve to have a master
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The term “tankie” originated in the UK in regard to opposing responses to the Hungarian uprising, which has since been declassified as yet another US backed coup attempt. Authoritarian communists are the only ones who don’t get fucked by the CIA, simple as.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The CIA had interests in seeing the weakening of the USSR, obviously, but you don’t seriously believe that the CIA was able to convince hundreds of thousands of Hungarian citizens as well as virtually every socialist party in Hungary to fight against their own better interests, do you? And even if true, how does that in any way take away from the thousands of Hungarian civilians killed or maimed?
And that doesn’t remotely touch on the Prague Spring
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah, wonder why the CIA leaves the violent extremists alone when it continually targets the ma and pa movements, instead?
Almost like one of those is a true threat to the world order and the other is just a different coat of paint. But don’t think about it too much, might lose your tankie cred
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The CIA has absolutely not at any point in living memory left anyone alone unless they allowed their resources and markets to be exploited by the US like good little vassals. You are historically and politically illiterate.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I have one already but it’s not a person, ofc. And I don’t know who they is/are, but what I do know is that the claim that people who are anti-Western imperialism and reject Western narratives are just misguided/the enemy is the same as before and whatever name they give it, the narratives stay the same. It’s a ghost they fight, I haven’t seen anyone say or allude to supporting oppressive, imperialist, “commie/socialist” policies. Basically, I haven’t seen actual tankies, if the term means anything.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I guess we just disagree on what we consider to be oppressive. The term “tankie” was invented by UK leftists to criticize other leftists for their support of the USSR’s use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution and later in the Prague Spring as well. Therefore, any communists that defend the use of oppressive tactics are tankies, it’s really not that hard, and it’s not anti-leftist.
I don’t know what to say about how you haven’t seen it yourself, since it’s prevalent in essentially every online leftist space. Maybe you choose not to see what you don’t want to?
frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
“Tankies” didn’t come from a Western imperialist state
The term “tankie” was invented by UK leftists to criticize other leftists for their support of the USSR’s use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution and later in the Prague Spring as well
If you believe that the UK isn’t a Western imperialist state, I’ve got a bridge I’d like to see if you’re interested in buying
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Okay, fair and good definition but I really don’t think whatever .ml-vibed post or narrative that gains any traction, to the point of it being an integral part of the community’s ideology, upholds those tankie values. And, therefore, the reputation is unearned. And they may exist but I don’t interact much with those people because I’m a lil banned so I guess I don’t see all of their content, idk.
And, circling back to OP’s case, I think the downvotes are a reaction to the narrative that “.ml is tankie” when they’re just anti-Western (like most of the world but that’s a different convo, they’re just anti-Western in Western online spaces), discarding the whole comment instead of “taking a side” because that would just give more weight to the narrative.
taygaloocat@leminal.space 2 days ago
I understand what they’re trying to do, and I’m sympathetic to the idea of wanting a well-intentioned authoritarian after decades of failing capitalist democracies, but freedom and individual rights are so hard to gain and so easy to lose and I believe they’re worth fighting for.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Perhaps, but I really don’t think that’s the take over there, I think they think you’re fighting strawmen.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 days ago
So, they’re delusional.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Learn to read
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Maybe, I don’t know, I don’t speak for .ml. Cool username btw. ✌️
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
you don’t. no one here wants a “friendly authoritarian”.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The ussr has had almost 70 years to implement their eutopia and move away from authorianism, but they never did. Either they didn’t want to put their whole system failed.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 days ago
70 years under siege. We’ve seen what happens when counterrevolutionaries win, it looks like modern Russia.
frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
And in those 70 years, at the height of the GULAG population, they still didn’t come close to the USA’s domestic use of authority. The USA, just considering prison population, imprisons more people per capita than nearly any other country in the world, and more than the USSR did. But that’s just prison population. The USA is also the only country in the world that charges prisoners hundreds of dollars per day just to be in prison. At least in the GULAG system every prisoner made minimum wage for the labor they did and they came out of prison with a savings account. The US also uses prison slave labor to produce over $11B annually in profits for the state and private corporations.
But again, that’s JUST prison population. The US also has the largest parole system in the world and it’s 2x bigger than the US prison system. People on parole are monitored, surveilled, and controlled by the state. They have to work to pay back their prison debts and the state “garnishes their wages” or, said another, way steals their money. The US has the worst recidivism rates in the world as well.
So when you say the USSR was authoritarian for 70 years, are you also willing to say that the US has been authoritarian for decades as well? Or is it different because people get to vote for whoever will preside over the expansion of the prison system?
Not to mention police budgets. If you combined all the local police budgets across the country it would be the third largest military in the world. The NYC police budget is larger than the DPRK’s military budget including their nuclear program. The ICE budget expansion makes federal police another military-equivalent putting them in the top 10 largest militaries. So the the US holds number 1, number 3, and number 7ish of the largest militaries in the world, 2 of whom it uses domestically and it’s not authoritarian?
Black people and indigenous people have been trying to tell the rest of the world just how authoritian the USA is. Maybe the issue here is that you’re part of the privileged group of people who just don’t experience the authoritarianism all around you.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The USSR was not free to implement anything dumbass
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
they went through a major world war with a big part of the victims and were hostilized by the us for the next decades, just like every other socialist country that dares.
lift the cuban embargo and see them flourish (you won’t)