Comment on American workers are tired of waiting.

• gtrcoi@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans.

    Their last big win was a Heritage Foundation policy that they nerfed without a single republican vote because it wasn’t far enough to the right.

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    • gtrcoi@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with doesn’t make sense here in the outside world?

      Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.

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      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I have no idea what you are talking about.

        Yeah, that’s not a surprise. I understand that the past couple decades of history aren’t netanyahu’s slightest whims, so you can be forgiven for not paying attention to them. You see, the ACA is based on a plan that was put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Since it’s not AIPAC, I’ll have to let you know what that is too. The Heritage Foundation is a republican think tank. They tell republicans (and centrist democrats) what their policies are.

        Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan.

        And the democratic caucus killed the public option without republicans getting involved.

        That’s awesome

        It would have been if your wing of the party didn’t think that more people going bankrupt and dying wasn’t preferable. Great work.

        The party has been coasting on this for 15 years and meanwhile healthcare has only gotten worse.

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    • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Source?

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      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That the ACA was based on Heritage Foundation policy?

        forbes.com/…/where-did-the-idea-of-obamacare-come…

        Obama made no secret of it.

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      • gtrcoi@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Mb, I assumed it was common knowledge, but I guess when people are dumb enough to both sides Democrats with Republicans I shouldn’t assume anything.

        housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf?hl… section 321

        www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/…/ih?hl=en-A…

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.

    They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.

    They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.

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  • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They haven’t been trying. They’ve held both houses and the presidency twice in the 22st century.

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    • gtrcoi@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy …berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-…

      The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.

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      • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The Child Tax Credit? You mean the one Biden let get killed, doubling child poverty in the process?

        I wouldn’t mention that if I was you, tounge washing the balls of the Senator from MBNA. Who made sure Trump could win in 2024.

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• mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  so keep doubling down on electing more trumps. that’s really working great!

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Keep doubling down on centrist candidates. It beats admitting you’re wrong.

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    • jama211@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You said that like it’s a bad thing compared to doubling down on trumps. If you think doubling down on centrists is worse than doubling down on trumps, then your mask has slipped mr trump supporter.

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      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You said that like it’s a bad thing compared to doubling down on trumps

        It can be a bad thing without being worse than trump, but you can’t pretend I’m a trumpist for not worshiping whatever genocidal shit you demand unquestioning devotion to any other way.

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• agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So? Just because Democrats aren’t doing things the way you want them exactly doesn’t mean

  1-that they aren’t doing some stuff that you kinda would want, even if it’s not perfect and

  2- Republicans, or letting Republicans win, is a good idea.

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• edible_funk@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is the reality that apparently a lot of people on Lemmy don’t want to accept.

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  • nlgranger@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.

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• DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.

  There is no remotely viable true leftist party in the United States. Welcome to reality.

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