Comment on American workers are tired of waiting.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I dunno…
Voting for “the lesser evil” does have a proven track record of overthrowing the two party system…
Marxism–Leninism holds that a two-stage communist revolution is needed to replace capitalism. A vanguard party, organized through democratic centralism, would seize power on behalf of the proletariat and establish a one-party communist state. The state would control the means of production, suppress opposition, counter-revolution, and the bourgeoisie, and promote Soviet collectivism, to pave the way for an eventual communist society that would be classless and stateless.[12]
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How many elections has Jill Stein ran in?
When’s the last time a third party candidate even came close?
Why keep trying that when it keeps failing?
I think the real stall, has been the people furthest left in both of the two parties have been convinced to leave.
“Moderate” Republicans became neoliberals, and when they chased off the commies to third parties, we were left with two right wing parties.
We need the commies to start voting like Stalin always wanted them to, but today’s commies only know propaganda, they don’t know any history.
Regardless of your politics, you need to vote for the best result in the system we have.
In the “first past the post” single-ballot-plurality-wins contests that dominate in America, anything but a vote for the runner up is an endorsement of the eventual winner.
For most Americans, the only real choices in the general elections are “R”, “D”, and “either”.
This election losing approach to elections needs to become dead and buried.
It really sucks. Absent a revolution of some kind, until you are sure you have enough to WIN 270 electoral college votes, everyone needs to keep voting for the lesser of two bad choices.
For a real revolution we also need 218 house members and 67 senators (out of the current totals of 435 and 100).
Could possibly get by with 50 senators plus the VP if all could be counted on to pass the necessary court reform.
For a real revolution we also need 218 house members and 67 senators
And then the football will be yanked away again as we get just enough manchins voting against.
True, thank you.
Regardless of your politics, you need to vote for the best result in the system we have.
If you want to win, you need to get people to vote for you. Democrats prefer to lose.
A party failing at messaging does not absolve voters from making intelligent decisions.
Parties have entire histories proving where they stand. It is voter’s responsibility to be aware of those histories in order to be informed voters. You can’t rely on a party’s messaging to inform voters, just appeal to their emotions.
Parties have entire histories proving where they stand.
Right. Democrats have a long history of betraying the left and shifting right.
When’s the last time a third party candidate even came close?
Ross Perot came very close in 1992. He would have won if he hadn’t paused his campaign midway through the election. It would be very possible for a third party candidate to win in 2028 under the right circumstances. Imagine the DNC forces Harris through again. And the Republicans run JD Vance. You would have two incredibly unpopular candidates, each planning on winning by blackmailing their base with the “lesser of two evils” strategy. Then a third party candidate comes in, someone who doesn’t cleanly map to the right or left side of the spectrum. And they clean the clocks of the two unpopular turds.
Again, this almost happened within living memory. Hell, it happened within the lifetimes of nearly every Millennial. 1992 was not that long ago. The idea that a third party candidate simply cannot win is just Dem/Rep cope.
“DNC forces Harris”
Absent any evidence. Kind of like how Bernie flat out DID. NOT. WIN. in 2020. No shenanigans- he couldn’t muster support.
God I’d love a progressive candidate but America seems not to and Im tired of people making excuses for it. Show up or stfu.
2020? In 2020, the DNC literally coordinated for all the centrist candidates except Biden to drop out right before a critical primary day. Warren stayed in the race to divide the progressive vote, but literally all the centrist candidates except Biden dropped out simultaneously. There was absolutely ratfucking in the 2020 primary.
And what evidence could you possibly want for the DNC forcing Harris? They were literally the only people involved in selecting her as the candidate. The voters did not get a say.
Yeah no shit. You can’t convince your own party to vote for you you don’t deserve it.
That’s politics for all you morons. Bernie could’ve collaborated with Warren for one of them to drop in exchange for a cabinet position, etc. but they didn’t.
There’s nothing insidious about that. Centrists grouped and voters rewarded them for that. Bernie didn’t. I voted for him in 2020.
Simply put, progressives are more upset that there aren’t more of them or that they don’t show up. Either way they LOST because the majority of Democratic voters don’t vote that way.
Maybe they should spend more time convincing everyone of their positions instead of bitching at bogus bogeymen for all their failures.
Absent any evidence.
That’s why it’s a hypothetical and was framed as such. If she decides to run again, the party’s likely gonna try, all the while saying that AOC can’t run because a woman of color can’t win.
zoloftt@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Nations are made of people, that make local gov, that make state govs. We need to change the smallest part that makes up the rest of the machine before you can “fix” the 2 party system.
Everyone keeps taking about the DNC like it is some colossus. We can either change it to our liking or make our own, but either way it starts by changing the smallest parts first.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yep
The problem is for a lot of people, they’ve only known a corrupt DNC.
The only purpose of the DNC, is supposed to be to run an unbiased presidential primary every four years, that’s literally it…
This one is staying out of other primaries, but endorsing everyone that makes it to the general. Which is fine, the party shouldn’t be picking sides in any primary
It has no ethical reason for billions of dollars, so it’s been pumping all of it back to state parties who desperately need it.
They’re not lock and step with billionaire owned media, because why the fuck should they be?
People look at the DNC right now and are mad “it’s not doing anything”.
While at the same time saying unprompted that the problem has been the DNC was doing too much.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The current DNC is refusing to release the 2024 autopsy because it doesn’t support the genocide wing’s narrative.