because voting is not issue based, in the US. it’s “sports team” based, us vs them, etc. it is nothing but distractions while capitalists keep getting richer.
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Klox@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Look, I get it. Jeff Bezos will keep hoarding. That makes sense in that selfish, nihilist worldview. What I can’t understand, is why all fucking people are voting against their own fucking self interests to allow this bullshit. If people didn’t just vote against their fucking better interests we would be in a much better situation.
flandish@lemmy.world 6 days ago
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
If leftists didn’t refuse to vote “on principle” we would be in a much better situation.
flandish@lemmy.world 6 days ago
what principal do you mean? asking harris to say genocide is bad? asking the dem party to cut the horseshit with primaries? asking biden to leave a year before he did?
anyone who voted third party is not why trump is in office, their numbers plus harris’ would still have lost to trump. sadly.
but cut the thick shit pushing horseshit rhetoric like your reply. grow up. stop supporting genocide too.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
You made so many incorrect assumptions in your reply I don’t even know where to start.
I never said to vote for corporate Dems, let alone stan for them.
I never said not to vote 3rd party. I do it all the time.
I never said that if leftists voted just in the 2024 presidential race that all would be fixed.
And you seem to have forgotten that we get to vote for more than just president.
If leftists voted en masse, my city would have a a very different local government from the one it has today - one that would create a base of power and solidarity to bring change to higher levels of government, and one that would actually take measure to protect us from federal goons.
So maybe engage with my actual point instead of the baseless image of me that you have in your head.
flandish@lemmy.world 5 days ago
they weren’t assumptions but additional points
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
If only we got more of those DNC ghouls in office they could have slowed down some of this a bit!
Couldn’t be that the “other party” just absorbs every complaint, atrocity, demand for real change and delivers none. It’s probably those annoying leftists who are messing up progress!
FWIW I vote as often as I can. It’s not hard for me to tell who is more evil and what levers are available to me at the moment.
Your take sucks and smells like a real Reddit-ass analysis of why things are going badly.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
I never said anything about voting for Democrats. You made a lot of assumptions just to come here and argue with me.
And there are no thoughtful reasons not to vote. Just excuses that try to launder laziness into righteousness.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Okay, I’ve read through your other comments and you’re right, I misunderstood and misrepresented your POV, I apologize.
For the record, just like there is a large contingent of online “leftists” who don’t do much but whine, there’s an accompanying group of folks who also habitually just whine, but they whine in the ways I attacked you for doing, some flavor of “if they’d only have voted (for Harris/Clinton/etc) then we’d all be at brunch!”
But that’s not what you said, and given your other comments, you probably don’t like those folks either. So yeah, I saw what looked like that and had an allergic reaction lol.
Anyway, my bad, cheers.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Shut up you bigot!
If they voted for Copmala Iranian schools and hospitals could’ve been bombed by trans people and immigrants.
You have denied them of equal opportunities!
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 6 days ago
It’s amazing how easy it is to “win” an argument that exists only in your imagination
I’m so fucking glad that I don’t live in 'Murica.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
I don’t know what argument you’re responding to. Talk about projection.
Anyway, you probably just saw my username and assumed I’m “one of them”. So let me say this real clear for all the bigots on Lemmy: we don’t get to decide where we are born, and we are not inherently responsible for the actions of our governments. Get it through your thick dumb skulls.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Your opinion on “leftists” is telling
That’s why I think you’re stupid.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Yes Amazon didn’t exist before Trump and they didn’t pay the other side of your duopoly.
freebeacon.com/…/bezos-greases-way-into-dem-estab…If americans weren’t such losers endlessly voting for one of those you would be in a much better situation.
But I see you’re another one of those campist clowns.
You’re all pathetic and a lost cause, so keep crying.
You deserve itexplodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
How many of the people who didn’t vote were leftists not voting on principle?
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
If only we got more of those DNC ghouls in office they could have slowed down some of this a bit!
Couldn’t be that the “other party” just absorbs every complaint, atrocity, demand for real change and delivers none. It’s probably those annoying leftists who are messing up progress!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 days ago
thats because people are temporarily embarrased billionaires thats why.
Snailpick42@lemmus.org 5 days ago
Religion is why people vote the way they do. They vote republican because that is what there are taught. They do it for Jesus, fetuses, and more money for their overlords.
Therms45@europe.pub 5 days ago
Which part can you vote that will redistribute wealth?
Klox@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Democratic party is much closer to being taken over by a populist socialist. So DNC with emphasis that primaries need to by the real battleground.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
And once we’ve won those primaries, then the DNC will be aligned with our fucking best interests.
Therms45@europe.pub 5 days ago
So you think that if Sanders becomes the leader of the democratic party (he won’t), all of the lobbies and all of the billionaires interests that are behind both Democratic and Republican parties, are gonna suddenly disappear? Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Voting for the democratic party would alsocbe against your self-interest as member of the working class, just as much as republican. You need to realise the US is a one party system, Democratic and Republican are two branches of the same party.
Klox@lemmy.world 5 days ago
What’s your strategy? Sanders hasnt become the DNC leader yet, so I reject your premise that it can’t work. We’ve seen how the GOP party can change, for the worse. The billionaires will exist in whatever youre proposing, right up until they don’t exist, so thats not any kind of counter argument.
They are not the same party. Wake the fuck up. Maybe you could say that two years ago, but gestures broadly.
Kalothar@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
You’re partially incorrect, or at least obfuscating things to support your point. It’s much more complicated than how I believe you’re expressing it.
The human race has an oligarch problem and the U.S. has a two party issue and happens to be were capital has been concentrated for the past ~60 years.
Simply look at past policy decisions, who is repealing precedent, international relations, environmental protections, Supreme Court decisions (and their written opinions) over the last two presidential terms is enough to show the difference between the two parties.
Our problem doesn’t simply lie in our political structure (which is a mathematical guarantee of our government system). There are solutions on the table and the only viable pathway to meaningful change without violence is through voting in the U.S. or you know prolonged violent conflict. My point being the U.S. has a problem with their policymakers and representation for sure.
But let’s be clear here the human race is experiencing oligarchical pressure in so many places more than just the US.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Red-staters seem perfectly fine with punching themselves in the face if it means they can stumble back and bloody the nose of the durn libburuls standing behind them.