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pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I guess we don’t count Xinjiang and Tibet because everyone’s already used to them being part of China

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  • stickly@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Imperialism only comes from the imperial region of the US, if it’s from China it’s sparkling liberation

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    • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The People’s Boot!

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    • nullify3112@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The imperial valley is not in the Empire State… where do they grow imperialism?

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  • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Or any other minority in China

    reuters.com/…/china-set-pass-new-ethnic-minority-…

    But don’t worry, some dutch guy from mom’s basement living on welfare will tell us that it’s not what it looks and it’s actually good for unified diversity of all people

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    • antisoumerde@quokk.au ⁨42⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      LMAO you’re so left wing you have the same insults as facebook fascists boomer.

      My friend is dutch and on welfare, bitch, do you have a problem?

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    • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Why do you think it is bad for the Sami to use the Dutch language? Why is it bad for the Cherokee to use English? Why is it bad for the Zulu to use Afrikaans?

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  • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I guess we don’t count the Confederate States of America because everyone’s already used to them being part of the USA.

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    • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Me when whataboutism

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      • antisoumerde@quokk.au ⁨41⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        The meme is literally “what about China” idiot

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yet another example of how “whataboutism” just means, “trying to apply consistent standards and definitions instead of favoring Western countries.”

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    • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean if we’re reaching like that we should probably talk about all the states that used to be independent now a part of China. Let’s just say that unification wasn’t a peaceful proccess and involved a healthy amount of geneocide.

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• aski3252@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is probably unpopular, but Taiwan is imo not a good example of imperialism. Taiwan is where the old government has fled to and where the government there officially still claims to be the rightful goverment of China. Their official name is republic of China, which obviously leads to tensions with the “people’s republic of China”.

  Imperialism is when a nation excercises significant influence and control over other independent nations. Taiwan is not an independent nation, they are a rival/competitor with similar regional claims.

  A better example of Chinese imperialism could be their economic initiatives in Africa.

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• JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I mean, they did invade Tibet with ground forces and eventually bomb the shit out of them, kidnapped tons of children and killed their parents. Between 10k in the first three days (the tiny tiny tibet army was very overwhelmed) and their government estimates 1.2million tibetens were killed then and during the 220k Chinese soldier occupation, but the actual number is likely more around 87k to 150k, with the remaining number being imprisoned in slave labor camps and the children kidnapped to grow up as “real Chinese” children. Like the indeginous schools in the US and Canada. Things got so bad that according to the PRC’s own reports, over 70% of rural PRC members defected and fought for the rebels. Skeletons clogged the Yellow River one year apparently. But as typical with all imperialism whether western or eastern, the winners try to explain the deaths away as famine when the soldiers steal all of the crops and shoot out the legs of the people, but they “technically” die of starvation or disease.

  Then they came and cut all of their old growth lumber (maybe the real end goal?) with massive deforestation and resource harvesting.

  But it is no question that China’s current imperialism is economic for 90% of it. It is also by far the lesser of the evils and much much less violent and physically harmful nowadays after 1970 or so.

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  • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today ⁨53⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Which western genocide are you confusing with the liberation of Tibet during its civil war?

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  • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You had me in the first half

    Like I know the world is really shitty, but 50 years ago isn’t that long ago. Especially when we’re taking about forgetting a river of skeletons caused by a war of territorial expansion.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Like I know the world is really shitty, but 50 years ago isn’t that long ago.

      Y’all got some very long, very selective grudges. I feel pretty confident in saying that if the US had been at peace since Vietnam, I’d hate it a hell of lot less.

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      • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yo you did the thing.

        You’re here proving the meme. Both are imperialism both are evil.

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• napkin2020@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  We all know that is not because they lack the will.

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