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• realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context.

  I have a hard time wrapping my head about this sentence. I don’t think about the gender of any entity without more context because it’s usually completely irrelevant.

  Male is default, female is marked

  So, I didn’t grow up in an english speaking country, but if I hear “the baker” I don’t automatically assume it’s a man. I think it’s a person that bakes bread and pastry. The same with “the mechanic”, “the engineer”, etc. It’s all - by default - a person.

  Now, if we were to talk german, there is actually a difference. As “the baker”, for example, we have “Bäcker” as Male and “Bäckerin” as female. The reason why male is “the default” in german is because it’s shorter. That’s it. If you say “Der Bäcker”, it’s as you’d say “the baker” in english, you don’t automatically make an assumption about the gender. If you say “Die Bäckerin”, you are referring to a female baker specifically.

  So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.

  Honestly this feels more like a mockery of people that identify as non-binary than raising any kind of awareness. Kinda has some “apache combat helicopter” vibes.

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  • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re not talking about language with the male-as-default, but rather for example this:

    Image

    The depiction with less discerning features is what we assume to be male. If you want to express female, you have to add a dress or long hair or curves etc…
    There’s actual scientific research on this bias existing, although I don’t know in what way this extends to animal depictions.

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• DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Its a fucking cartoon logo, I’ve never once thought about its gender identity or called it any gender for that matter. I click on it, and that’s the extent of my interaction or consideration.

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes, cool. It’s awareness.

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• ttyybb@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  And non-binary doesn’t exist, obv /s

  If not binary then how made of 1s and 0s?

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Have you ever seen 1s and 0s out in the real world, outside your smarty-pants books? Thought so. Maths don’t real, checkmate atheist.

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• Nima@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  to be honest, 99% of people don’t even think about gender at all without being prompted to. especially when it comes to mascots like the firefox logo. its a browser.

  this seems like a PR move by mozilla and nothing more.

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• FellowHuman@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That highly depends on the language.

  Example in Czech: Generic Fox (Liška) is a girl Generic Wolf (Vlk) is a boy

  Because our words themself have genders. Fox: Liška (girl) Lišák (boy) but default if you don’t knoe the sex of the animal is in this case the girl version.

  This differs per language. And in german (if I’m not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.

  I’m using boy/girl instead of male/female, because … I don’t know, that is how I think about it.

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  • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And in german (if I’m not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.

    That’s true, but the grammatical gender has nothing to do with the actual gender. Nobody thinks that all foxes are male, just as nobody thinks that spoons (Der Löffel) are male or the street (Die Straße) are female. They can also change depending on the amount. For example, if we take “Haus”, which means house, we say “Das Haus” if we talk about a single house, which would be neutral, but refer to multiple houses as “Die Häuser”, which would be female. Nobody thinks houses become female once there’s more than one tho.

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