Comment on Save me from going down a dark path

• Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “it works for some people” so does electric shock therapy.

  So does lobotomy

  So does electroshock therapy

  So does sleep deprivation

  So does solitary confinement

  So does brain washing

  … and so on. They all “work for some people”.

  Not a good barometer for success. Your logic is horrifying

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    My logic is just fine. Im wondering how yours are, if you think science is the only way to measure if something is useful to a human being.

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    • kofe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m confused what you’re saying science would say is useless. Having meaning? Cuz that’s well supported in psychology. There are many ways to develop meaning in our lives. Science is just a method that helps us figure out what is effective. Spirituality can be effective in helping to form meaning, sure, but people need alternatives if or when it fails.

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      • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Science would say spirituality is useless, even ridiculous, because it cant find evidence for a soul.

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      • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Im pretty sure op said that. He said the religious aspects of AA help some ppl and they’re right. The issue is ppl act like their arent a-religious alternatives which their clearly are

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Doing nothing doesn’t do a damn thing. It should be one tool in a toolbox. AA is not like the other things on there, just like CBT isn’t like those things, just like medication isn’t like those things. GP1s just landed in the medication toolbox. Addiction is incredibly complex and includes a spiritual component. If you don’t like how the program does it, go start your own alcohol treatment protocol, hell a global network of meetings and instant support, and see how far you get. I’m super eager to see it.

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    • kofe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ve already mentioned this in another comment, but SMART Recovery is a secular alternative that does host virtual sessions if anyone’s looking and can’t find something local. They’re pretty well established in multiple countries now. They’ve also got the website and mobile app with evidence based skills. DBT also has skills targeting addiction. The main reason I think AA can be effective (though its less than a coin flip chance iirc) is due to the community aspect.

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