Does graphene allow banking apps ? Does it trip safety net ?
Comment on What happened to LineageOS? Has it been replaced by GrapheneOS?
Fake4000@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No. They are two different projects.
Lineage is about providing a Google free version of android AOSP and supporting as many phones as possible.
Graphene is about making a privacy centric version of android that can run Google apps sandboxed. Graphene only supports pixel phones.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Metz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
I think GrapheneOS isn’t made for that purpose. It’s made to be safe and do privacy well. I think signature spoofing etc is kinda an opposing requirement. I don’t think everything works. My TAN App works, though. Google Pay doesn’t.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So google pay doesn’t work. That’s a bastard
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Nit to start an argument but why would one want to be using Google Pay after going through the process of de-googling their phone? Seems counterproductive.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Google Pay gives you worse consumer rights than using your card with contactless. A contactless card purchase is processed as “cardholder not present”, the same as phone catalogue purchases always used to be done, and the same as online purchases. The seller assumes default responsibility in any dispute. When you make a purchase with your card pin, or when you make a purchase with Google Pay, both are considered secure and authorised by you, so that becomes the default position in a dispute.
If someone steals your card and uses it to make a bunch of contactless purchases, you’d have a much easier time getting them refunded than if the purchases were made with your phone.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And a few non-pixel devices, though it’s incredibly short list. Expansion was to start last fall, afaik.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I’d love to see this come to fruition. I’ve wanted Graphene since I first heard about it but refuse to pay the Google tax for admission and live with all the restrictions a Google device comes with
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Google tax is a definite pain in the ass, but with graphene those restrictions no longer apply
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
By “Google tax” I mean having to buy one of their devices and the “restrictions” I’m referring to are the lack of headphone jack and micro SD card slot. They may mean nothing to you or others but they’re both bare minimum requirements for myself and others. For as long as they aren’t available on Pixel devices, I will never consider a Pixel.
afunkysongaday@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lineage is not about providing a google free version of Android. It does not contain google apps, for licensing reasons, probably also to let the user choose. But it does not go further, all the other stuff like captive portal check, agps, dns etc still uses google servers. It’s not “degoogled” in any way. Love lineage btw but we need to be aware of what it is and isn’t.
atocci@kbin.social 6 months ago
I wonder where this misconception is coming from, it's the second time in the last few days I've seen it. I can't remember custom roms ever coming with the Google apps preinstalled, you'd always need to flash them separately before the first boot (thanks XDA). That's why we have MindTheGApps.
520@kbin.social 6 months ago
It used to be that Cyanogenmod (the precursor project to LineageOS) shipped with Google apps pre installed until they got a cease and desist from Google.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Many of them do these days. Which is a bit annoying when you want a no-gapps variant and can’t find it.
atocci@kbin.social 6 months ago
That's interesting! They aren't supposed to do that though, right? It goes against Google's policy.
DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Probably because the lack of google apps is the most noticeable difference to stock android?
atocci@kbin.social 6 months ago
Sure, but installing them is a step in the LineageOS installation guide.
kzhe@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Is there still a good guide on how to fully degoogle lineage?
TWeaK@lemm.ee 6 months ago
LineageOS4MicroG is a reasonable starting point. It includes MicroG out of the box, while disabling further app spoofing in the OS (whereas normally if you install MicroG yourself it’s much more difficult to disable app spoofing after you’ve got it set up).
But as /u/baatliwala@lemmy.world said, this is more likely adding Google (or a mock version of it) to your phone, and LineageOS still doesn’t have a few things that other custom ROMs might - eg captive portal check, A-GPS and DNS settings that /u/afunkysongaday@lemmy.world mentioned. To get rid of those you’ll have to try a proper custom ROM and just read the feature specs. I use DivestOS, and that seems to cover most things.
In my experience, not all that many apps require Google anymore. I get a few apps complain that they won’t work without Google services, but find that it’s just the map and payment functions that don’t work (meanwhile dedicated map apps like Waze work just fine). Going without Google services altogether is really just about sacrificing a relatively small bit of convenience.
kzhe@lemm.ee 6 months ago
My thing is, I like having root. Lineage tells me, “that’s okay.” Divest, Graphene, etc. tell me (correctly) that that’s insecure and I shouln’t do it. But I still want root, and don’t like the idea of opposing my ROM in what I’m doing.
baatliwala@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Degoogle is the wrong word for lineage because it hasn’t been “engoogled” in the first place, it doesn’t ship with Google services at all. If you simply install the base ROM you don’t have Google.
The question is if you want to replace Google with mock Google services so certain apps relying on GMS still work, or if you want to replace it completely with FOSS alternatives.