I’m fairly certain the German ch sound doesn’t exist in English
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zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 day agosuchen = to search/look for
and ch doesn’t make a k sound, not even close.
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
hikaru755@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Made even worse by the fact that depending on the word it can make two different sounds and neither of them exist in English
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
In some areas people pronounce an initial ch as a k, like kina instead china. But apart from that neither of the two actual ch sounds exists in English.
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
Und often enough, ch is pronounced (t)sh, like China, duchess, choose or Apache.
nightlily@leminal.space 1 day ago
Unless you’re a Berliner, but then you have to wonder why your baked goods are talking, and why they insist on being called Pfannkuchen instead.
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
Coming back to this thread, because sometimes it actually is pronounced as a k
e.g. Fuchs, Lachs, wachsen
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
Yeah, but only in combination with an s, so it’s chs that’s pronounced as ks.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Well it is close, though. A velar fricative versus a velar plosive. Both unvoiced.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Well it is close, though.
It’s really not though?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
That’s not a valid comparison at all, and it’s not pedantic to point that out no matter how preemptively you claim that it is.
Bilapial ≠ lapiodental! It’s not that hard to understand.
The entire similarity between K and the German Ch is based on them both being velar (and unvoiced). You’re crafting a strawman by focusing on the “fricative and plosive” manner while ignoring that the sound is made at the same place.
S and T are almost a better comparison because they’re both technically alveolar, but that ignores the fact that S has a dental component. Try making a T sound and then an S sound without moving your teeth. It won’t work.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
while ignoring that the sound is made at the same place.
So your argument is that all sounds made in the same place sound the same?
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
That’s like saying F is close to P
Korean for example doesn’t have an F sound, a lot of loanwords that have an F sound use P instead, France turns into Prangseu and coffee to copy.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
Sure, but does that mean F soudns like P?
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
In Dutch, a T is sometimes pronounced S
Politie (police) is pronounced polisie for example
In the word politiek (politics) it remains a T sound
Democratie -> democrasie
Etcetera
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
Again, does that mean that T sounds like S? Do you often confuse T for S?
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
You find that in a lot of european languages, even in English almost everything that ends in -tion is pronounced -shon.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 day ago
and ch doesn’t make a k sound, not even close.
Go back to school.
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
This is about German, not English
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 day ago
It is about English, because the whole joke is how it sounds in English.
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
the statement you replied to was about how ch sounds in german though
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I just so happen to have passed by one of my old schools, what should I do next?
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Aaah, thanks, I had a hard time to figure out what is supposed to be funny here.