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So, basically, we don’t know that much on anything besides understanding it’s really complex and difficult to figure out.

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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This has always been true.

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- qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  To quote someone a lot wiser than myself:
  
  It’s a shame stupid people carry themselves through life full of certainty while the wise ones suffer a life of doubt.
  
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  - TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    That’s a paraphrase of a famous Bertrand Russell quote. The original is as follows; “The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.”
    
    There’s also the William Butler Yeats corollary; “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”
    
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  - anonymouse@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    “Ignorance is bliss.”
    
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- Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  No it hasn’t. Many religions and spiritual texts covered all this stuff in just a couple of pages.
  
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Please do show the spiritual texts which cover general and specific relativity.
    
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    ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    The Bible says something about the earth and how it is good and the filament of the sky and some shit, at least that’s what I read on the internet. Many fine people on the internet, the best people, but not me but the best people probably. The best people say the earth may be - and I’m not saying it is but they are saying it - they say that the earth may be flat and that doesn’t take much text to cover I have heard.
    
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    bigfish@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    If you squint a little, the 7 days of creation in Genesis are relativistic-ish. 1 day to separate light from darkness (photons at 1 microsecond after Big Bang), another to create the sky (opaque universe at 370k years), another to form dry land and create life (earth formed, 9.3 billion years, life at ~0.2by later), etc etc. Anyone with a physics degree able to say what fraction of light speed god must have been travelling to make this happen such that only days passed for them between these events?
    
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    MxM111@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You are missing the point. The creation myths were considered complete. Nothing left to be known.
    
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    Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Deal if you show me the scientific texts that covered these in 500bc since you think we’ve always know how complex this is.
    
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  - Moops@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Got 'em lol
    
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- Sternout@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  No, before the scientific method was invented, the religious consus was that “All is known”.
  
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  - veroxii@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    “It’s all written down in this here book.”
    
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  - Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    And Aristotle was worshipped to the point where if people knew from personal experience that something he said was wrong, they’d assume their own experience was what was mistaken. And this despite him not having any connection to their religion at all.
    
    One example is that they used to think that objects could only have one force acting on it at a time. This could be the “natural force”, which is what makes objects fall when you drop them, or forces resulting from an action being performed on it. As a result, projectiles would travel straight in the direction they were thrown until the natural force took over, at which point they would fall vertically. Somehow this was still popularly believed (by academics at least) well after the catapult had been invented and used in sieges for centuries. It was believed by people who could throw things and observe how they moved with their own eyes.
    
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theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Not really. It’s all about models - we have for normal stuff, but it breaks apart in extreme situations

So clearly the model is fundamentally wrong… Which is pretty cool, because it means FTL travel, antigravity, or travel between dimensions could be possible

But we know now normal shit acts - we have models that work perfectly for 99% of all situations, and we’re probably not going to stop using them. We understand what happens when you throw an object, and it’s a basic equation up until like mock-2 or 3, where our models stop working and we have to switch them out completely

Can you build a model that works for both? Absolutely. It’ll be closer to the truth even. But it’ll be way more complicated for nearly all practical, human scale situations

At the end of the day, a model that describes reality exactly is almost useless… Without simplifications to ignore everything not relevant, just trying shit live would be easier than calculating the prediction

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- Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What I don’t understand is if the goal is to eventually be able to model everything perfectly, if we achieve that goal, doesn’t that just mean entropy is a lie?
  
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  - hydrospanner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Please expound on that.
    
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    Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Maybe it’s not a well thought out idea… But to me, if you can accurately model to predict everything down to the subatomic levels then where is the entropy?
    
    Maybe I don’t understand the basis of entropy.
    
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YoorWeb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Not really, OP’s image is somewhat misleading. The truty is that we’re constantly trying to improve our understanding of physically and some theories are not completely correct but they often provide a way for future scientists to dig deeper and figure it out. Then with new knowledge, new hypothesis can be suggested creating a gateway to deeper understanding of some concepts.

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MxM111@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Actually, we know everything there is happening in solar system. What we don’t know requires energies or distances or times incomparable with human life.

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- FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Actually, we know everything there is happening in solar system.
  
  Oh really?
  
  Then I’m sure you can tell us where we can locate Planet 9, or even if Planet 9 exists.
  
  …nasa.gov/…/the-case-strengthens-for-planet-9/
  
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  - Limeey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Easy, it’s right over there. Next question, please
    
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    LostXOR@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It's gestures wildly at sky there, of course.
    
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  - Num10ck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    maybe whats left of it is our moon?
    
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- bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  We don’t know why space spawns. We don’t know why the sun’s corona is hotter than its surface. We don’t know why the sun spins faster around its equator than at its poles. We don’t know why shampoo makes strange squiggles when being poured out of its bottle. Just four things off the top of my head.
  
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- EatYouWell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That’s one of the most confidently idiotic things I’ve read in a hot minute. Congratulations.
  
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  - SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It’s actually a pretty decent list of unanswered questions. The more we know the more we learn new questions.
    
    Like why there’s anything at all when the matter and antimatter should have annihilated itself.
    
    Or if there’s positive or negative curvature to space time at the (open or closed universe)
    
    Or what is dark matter and dark energy.
    
    Or unifying quantum physics with general relativity.
    
    And so on.
    
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    Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    That’s the point. It’s not accurate that we always knew how complex these were. The more we learn, the more we learn how complex these things are. The example of spiritual explanations is the most reductive and frankly that is where our understanding started. This conversation has really devolved here in typical Lemmy fashion.
    
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