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TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The Iroquois are the Haudenosaunee. The latter is the modern, more culturally appropriate term. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois

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  • bryophile@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Don’t culturally appropriate please

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Having worked directly with these communities, this is what I was taught, but I am happy to be corrected.

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      • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        While “Iroquoian” is still used as a technical linguistic category

        I’m guessing this won’t last for long, given some people already call the language family “Ogwehoweh” instead of “Iroquoian”. Example here.

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      • bryophile@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I agree with you, it was just a word joke

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      • DrWorm@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s a joke based on the different definitions/pronunciations of the word

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/appropriate

        culturally appropriate term

        don’t culturally appropriate

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    • Stamau123@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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      • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Don’t speak please

        How am I going to phrase requests then? sudo make me a sandwich style?

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  • Mandarbmax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I did not know this before. Thank you!

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• lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Aren’t the named tribes a subset of native Americans, so it can be true without the original statement being false?

  The original statement implies the technique was widespread across Native American groups. It’s almost certainly false for the ones here in South America; there’s a lot on terrace farming and slash-and-burn, but AFAIK nothing that resembles the companion system of the three sisters. (I wonder if it’s due to the prominence of subterranean crops. Taters, yucca, sweet potatoes.)

  The Haudenosaunee/Iroquois and the Cherokee/Tsalagi being related hints me it was something they developed.

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  • F_State@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s what I was thinking. Native Groups in many parts of North America didn’t practice agriculture at all or used rudimentary agriculture.

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• skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I read it as criticising reductionist views of the many diverse nations that existed in North America before Europeans showed up and decided that the whole continent was Terra Nullius.

  To this day a significant number of US high school American History textbooks only discuss the tribes in terms of their interactions with European invaders, and shy away from anything that might make them look like they were ever legitimate nations. Referring to them as ‘Native Americans’ instead of by name also has this effect.

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• glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I believe it’s the verb tenses. Instead of it being a historical fact, it’s an ongoing practice of an ongoing group of people

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  • Horsecook@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There is a huge community of indigenous agriculture in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a few Cherokee operations going. From what I see on IG it is going through a bit of a renaissance, but it is not my field.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I looked it up: According to the 2022 USDA Census of Agriculture, there are over 80,000 Indigenous-operated farms in the U.S., covering over 57 million acres.^1^ The Cherokee Nation has its own Secretary of Natural Resources and a dedicated Seed Bank program that distributes traditional heirloom seeds (like Cherokee White Eagle Corn) to thousands of tribal citizens every year to maintain food sovereignty.^2,3^ However, Native American agriculture is a multi-billion dollar industry. It’s not “subsistence” in the 1700s sense; it’s a mix of large-scale ranching, commercial cropping, and traditional community gardens. Regarding the renaissance I mentioned: There is a massive “Food Sovereignty” movement right now where tribes are reclaiming their health and economies by growing their own traditional foods to combat issues like diabetes and food deserts.^4^

      1: nass.usda.gov/…/Census22_HL_AmericanIndianANProdu… 2: naturalresources.cherokee.org/…/seed-bank/ 3: cherokee.gov/…/secretary-of-natural-resources-off… 4: indigenousfoodandag.com

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      • Horsecook@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have no knowledge on the topic so I can’t answer the first couple questions.

      However, I will say its a useful correction to say there are ongoing efforts to maintain historical practices if it makes the correctee happy to hear that (as is the case in the meme). It’s also useful to remember that indigenous peoples still exist and aren’t just historical (something a lot of US folks aren’t taught in school)

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      • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I did a little research, check it out above. :)

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• bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, “Native Americans” means everything from whoever lived on the tip of today’s Argentina all the way to the Inuit. So saying “native Americans” when it’s actually just two tribes is wrong.

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  • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So if you say like “people farm beans” that’s wrong because not all people farm beans? Presumably not all of the people in those two groups, it even every community within them, use the three sisters method, so is it still wrong?

    Or is it just that it’s ok to say “<plural> does <x>” without meaning “all <plural> do <x>”?

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    • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not wrong.

      We all learned how categories like this work in school - squares are rhombuses but rhombuses aren’t necessarily squares. It’s weird that some people would argue like against that.

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      • hoppolito@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well I do think there’s a certain tipping point where this categorisation breaks down to just ‘technical’ correctness.

        If I live in a village and there’s a dude called Toby who regularly gets drunk and shits in the main square, but he’s the only one to do it, I’d be a little miffed if a newspaper ran the headline ‘people in this village shit in the main square’. If a newspaper somewhere else ran with ‘people in this country shit in the main square’ most would agree that this veers into being wrong, though technically correct.

        If Toby had one friend he always did this with, for me the general consensus wouldn’t change. But what if he brought out the whole pub to do it or more people joined in? That may change things.

        That line is what people are arguing whether it’s crossed here or not. If most of Native Americans did it, sure the category will apply. But if only two out of dozens do? May be a different context (and closer to what is an ‘essentialization’ of those cultures)

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  • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is true that Native Americans used the 3 Sisters. Which ones? Those specific tribes, apparently.

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  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    First nations?

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    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I believe that term is reserved for (some of) the indigenous peoples of modern-day Canada.

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• WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There is a tense change. The second person is saying the technique is still used by those tribes today.

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• Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think that’s why there’s a smile in the last square.

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